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[rpd] Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
Daniel Yakmut
yakmutd at googlemail.com
Tue Jun 9 08:07:31 UTC 2020
Good Morning All,
Let me add my salt to the meat so that I can "eat from the meat when it
is cooked". I can see a pattern of intimidation, the Co-Chairs issued a
caution on the inconsistency of some members in posting matters that are
unrelated to policy, however they continuously deviate from the caution,
this left the Co-Chairs with no option but to act as they did and I
don't see anything wrong with that.
But from the barrage of attacks on the Co-Chairs for the action, I see
an attempt to intimidate them because they have sanctioned some
person(s) of the "Sons of the Soil of AfriNIC Community". This is
unhealthy. The Co-Chairs were elected for moderation and they have to
moderate. We could as well live without Chairs and see whether we will
make any progress in developing any policies.
There were suggestions clearly made earlier that the discussion on
"Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship"" was
not for this forum, but some person(s) are persistent on having their
way to discuss non-policy matter, this for me is a gross violation of
the rules of engagement here. To insist they are correct or right in
their action is a further push to "civil disturbances".
The action of the Co-Chairs is right and justifiable and let us stop
intimidating them, whenever they take action that is consistent with the
rules of PDWG.
Simply,
Daniel
On 07/06/2020 11:40 am, Anthony Ubah wrote:
>
> ****correction
> Hello Simon,
>
> You are right. I agree with the idea of consistency in moderation from the
> co-chairs, it is a must.
> But the accusations of 'pattern(s) of inconsistency' in this discussion
> have been vague. Personally, I do not spot an inconsistency in this
> instance.
>
>
> @All
>
> Since my previous post on this topic, I've been copied in responses which
> are neither directed to me nor relevant to me. I'll love to be untagged
> now. Thank you?
>
> Have a wonderful week ahead.
>
>
> Br,
>
> Anthony
>
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 8:49 AM Simon Mayoye <mayoye at seacom.mu
> <mailto:mayoye at seacom.mu>> wrote:
>
> Hi Moriam/All,
>
> Agreed. But we also agree that this shall have consistency from
> the Co-chairs, right?
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Simon
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Moriam Omowunmi Sulaimon <sulaimonmoriam01 at gmail.com
> <mailto:sulaimonmoriam01 at gmail.com>>
> *Sent:* 07 June 2020 09:15 AM
> *To:* Anthony Ubah
> *Cc:* rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not
> Criminal, Netizenship
> Dear Marcus and Murungi,
>
> Please this mailing list is for policy discussion and it should
> remain for that alone. We fully support the Co-chair's decision.
>
> Cheers
>
> On Sun, Jun 7, 2020, 12:40 AM Anthony Ubah
> <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hello Marcus
>
> Every mailing list is set up for a purpose, and the rpd was
> set up to serve as the AFRINIC community’s Resource Policy
> Discussion List. All these lists are for one community, and
> there is a Code of Conduct that guides the community forums.
>
> If discussions on the list do not align with the purpose,
> should the Co-Chairs not be expected to moderate and regulate
> the community? Is it disruptive to do what one is expected to do?
>
> You are right about one thing, “Many people feel frustrated
> and under attack....”, however, the following utterances by
> you are grossly unguided, and indicative of malice against the
> elected co-chair(s) and/or one or two members of the
> community. Thus the need for moderations.
>
> I think the co-chairs are doing an excellent job at curbing
> disarray within the community.
>
>
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Anthony
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:20 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey
> <madomey at hotmail.com <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Abdulkarim,
> >
> > You were disruptive by trying to prevent the discussions to
> ever happen or happen on rpd.
> >
> > The bad actions and examples shall be allowed to be called
> out strongly.
> >
> > Community ignored your rant and kept discussions going
> without cochairs and made progress.
> >
> > The community does not elect cochairs to censor discussions
> while chosing which topics to be discussed on rpd list.
> >
> > While enforcing CoC is part of your role, it does not
> prescribe what I said above. In fact, you have so far not been
> able to provide an official reason for censorship of posts by
> Noah, a senior member of this community
> >
> > Community elected cochairs are expected to be neutral and
> mainly organize and moderate discussions around the PDP. This
> is one more question about your neutrality
> >
> > As we kept saying, a well organized and structured
> discussion style would prevent many deviations and encourage
> more participation.
> >
> > Cultural and linguistic diversities plus different levels
> of expertise, which all make the beauty of our community,
> have to be well exploited for the good.
> >
> > Many people feel frustrated and under attack with responses
> from others because of the differences in the understandings.
> >
> >
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>
> > Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:09 PM
> > To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>
> > Cc: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz
> <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>; Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu
> <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>;
> rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net
> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
> Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
> >
> > Dear Marcus,
> > Yes, I agree that the follow-up discussion was useful and am
> sure you would agree with us that it became useful when no one
> felt under attack.
> > Its that type of discussions that the code of conduct we all
> signed up to permits. We were never disruptive maybe you
> meant constructive as we were only doing the job the community
> elected us to do.
> > Cheers
> > Co-Chair
> > Cheers and Have
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Marcus K. G. Adomey
> <madomey at hotmail.com <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > I have not seen any response to this query and the followup
> discussions on the incident on rpd has proven to be useful for
> the mandate and scope of the PDP.
> >
> > You were just disruptive and you must stop this recurrent
> censorship as others have said.
> >
> > Please reinstate immediately Noah’s posting rights with
> apologies.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Murungi Daniel <dmurungi at wia.co.tz
> <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>>
> > Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:11 PM
> > To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>>
> > Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com
> <mailto:ubah.tonyiyke at gmail.com>>; rpd at afrinic.net
> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net> <rpd at afrinic.net
> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Cloud Innovation
> Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal, Netizenship
> >
> > Dear Abdulkarim,
> >
> > Kindly elaborate on the details of the personal attack and
> chaos you mentioned in your last email.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Daniel
> >
> > On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE
> <oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng
> <mailto:oloyede.aa at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
> >
> > Dear Murungi,
> > I have no issues with transparency, infact what I want is
> transparency. What we don't want is chaos. I don't think you
> would tolerate someone attacking you personally.
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36 Murungi Daniel,
> <dmurungi at wia.co.tz <mailto:dmurungi at wia.co.tz>> wrote:
> >
> > +1 @Mark Tinka.
> >
> > @Abdulkarim, it seems you have an issue with transparency on
> this list. Granted, some of Noah’s words may be heavy handed (
> he is a passionate fellow) but I see no cause for the action
> you are proposing.
> >
> > Your ‘power’ as Co -PWGD is not to be wielded for stifling
> member voices or punishing what you perceive to be a personal
> slight.
> >
> >
> > Regards,
> > Daniel
> >
> >
> > > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Mark Tinka
> <mark.tinka at seacom.mu <mailto:mark.tinka at seacom.mu>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 30/May/20 08:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
> > >
> > >> Dear Noah,
> > >> Your last email has clearly violated the last warning
> earlier issued
> > >> by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are left with no choice
> than to moderate
> > >> any email you send onto this mailing list. This would be
> reviewed
> > >> after a week.
> > >
> > > I would have to say that this is a very slippery slope we
> are treading down.
> > >
> > > Mark.
> > >
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