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<p>Good Morning All,</p>
<p>Let me add my salt to the meat so that I can "eat from the meat
when it is cooked". I can see a pattern of intimidation, the
Co-Chairs issued a caution on the inconsistency of some members in
posting matters that are unrelated to policy, however they
continuously deviate from the caution, this left the Co-Chairs
with no option but to act as they did and I don't see anything
wrong with that.</p>
<p>But from the barrage of attacks on the Co-Chairs for the action,
I see an attempt to intimidate them because they have sanctioned
some person(s) of the "Sons of the Soil of AfriNIC Community".
This is unhealthy. The Co-Chairs were elected for moderation and
they have to moderate. We could as well live without Chairs and
see whether we will make any progress in developing any policies.</p>
<p>There were suggestions clearly made earlier that the discussion
on "Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not Criminal,
Netizenship"" was not for this forum, but some person(s) are
persistent on having their way to discuss non-policy matter, this
for me is a gross violation of the rules of engagement here. To
insist they are correct or right in their action is a further push
to "civil disturbances".</p>
<p>The action of the Co-Chairs is right and justifiable and let us
stop intimidating them, whenever they take action that is
consistent with the rules of PDWG.</p>
<p>Simply,</p>
<p>Daniel<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/06/2020 11:40 am, Anthony Ubah
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Hello Simon,<br>
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You are right. I agree with the idea of
consistency in moderation from the<br>
co-chairs, it is a must.<br>
But the accusations of 'pattern(s) of
inconsistency' in this discussion<br>
have been vague. Personally, I do not spot an
inconsistency in this instance.<br>
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@All<br>
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Since my previous post on this topic, I've been
copied in responses which<br>
are neither directed to me nor relevant to me.
I'll love to be untagged<br>
now. Thank you?<br>
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Have a wonderful week ahead.<br>
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Br,<br>
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Anthony <br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Jun 7, 2020 at 8:49
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<p>Hi Moriam/All,</p>
<p>Agreed. But we also agree that this shall have
consistency from the Co-chairs, right?</p>
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<p>Regards,</p>
<p>Simon <br>
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Omowunmi Sulaimon <<a
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">sulaimonmoriam01@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> 07 June 2020 09:15 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> Anthony Ubah<br>
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target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
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policy discussion and it should remain for that
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<div dir="auto">Cheers</div>
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2020, 12:40 AM Anthony Ubah <<a
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<div dir="ltr">Hello Marcus<br>
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Every mailing list is set up for a purpose, and
the rpd was set up to serve as the AFRINIC
community’s Resource Policy Discussion List. All
these lists are for one community, and there is
a Code of Conduct that guides the community
forums.<br>
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If discussions on the list do not align with the
purpose, should the Co-Chairs not be expected to
moderate and regulate the community? Is it
disruptive to do what one is expected to do?<br>
<br>
You are right about one thing, “Many people
feel frustrated and under attack....”, however,
the following utterances by you are grossly
unguided, and indicative of malice against the
elected co-chair(s) and/or one or two members of
the community. Thus the need for moderations.<br>
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I think the co-chairs are doing an excellent job
at curbing disarray within the community.<br>
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Best Regards,<br>
<br>
Anthony <br>
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On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 6:20 PM Marcus K. G.
Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear Abdulkarim,<br>
><br>
> You were disruptive by trying to prevent
the discussions to ever happen or happen on rpd.<br>
><br>
> The bad actions and examples shall be
allowed to be called out strongly.<br>
><br>
> Community ignored your rant and kept
discussions going without cochairs and made
progress.<br>
><br>
> The community does not elect cochairs to
censor discussions while chosing which topics to
be discussed on rpd list.<br>
><br>
> While enforcing CoC is part of your role,
it does not prescribe what I said above. In
fact, you have so far not been able to provide
an official reason for censorship of posts by
Noah, a senior member of this community<br>
><br>
> Community elected cochairs are expected to
be neutral and mainly organize and moderate
discussions around the PDP. This is one more
question about your neutrality<br>
><br>
> As we kept saying, a well organized and
structured discussion style would prevent many
deviations and encourage more participation.<br>
><br>
> Cultural and linguistic diversities plus
different levels of expertise, which all make
the beauty of our community, have to be well
exploited for the good.<br>
><br>
> Many people feel frustrated and under
attack with responses from others because of
the differences in the understandings.<br>
><br>
><br>
><br>
> Marcus<br>
><br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <<a
href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>><br>
> Sent: Friday, June 5, 2020 9:09 PM<br>
> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <<a
href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@hotmail.com</a>><br>
> Cc: Murungi Daniel <<a
href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>>;
Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <<a
href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss]
Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not
Criminal, Netizenship<br>
> <br>
> Dear Marcus, <br>
> Yes, I agree that the follow-up discussion
was useful and am sure you would agree with us
that it became useful when no one felt under
attack.<br>
> Its that type of discussions that the code
of conduct we all signed up to permits. We were
never disruptive maybe you meant constructive as
we were only doing the job the community elected
us to do.<br>
> Cheers<br>
> Co-Chair <br>
> Cheers and Have <br>
><br>
><br>
> On Fri, Jun 5, 2020 at 4:28 PM Marcus K. G.
Adomey <<a href="mailto:madomey@hotmail.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">madomey@hotmail.com</a>>
wrote:<br>
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> I have not seen any response to this query
and the followup discussions on the incident on
rpd has proven to be useful for the mandate and
scope of the PDP.<br>
><br>
> You were just disruptive and you must stop
this recurrent censorship as others have said.<br>
><br>
> Please reinstate immediately Noah’s posting
rights with apologies.<br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
><br>
><br>
> Marcus<br>
><br>
> ________________________________<br>
> From: Murungi Daniel <<a
href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">dmurungi@wia.co.tz</a>><br>
> Sent: Sunday, May 31, 2020 8:11 PM<br>
> To: ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE <<a
href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>><br>
> Cc: Ubah Anthony Ikechukwu <<a
href="mailto:ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">ubah.tonyiyke@gmail.com</a>>;
<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">rpd@afrinic.net</a>
<<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss]
Cloud Innovation Displays Very Poor, If Not
Criminal, Netizenship<br>
> <br>
> Dear Abdulkarim,<br>
><br>
> Kindly elaborate on the details of the
personal attack and chaos you mentioned in your
last email.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Daniel<br>
><br>
> On May 31, 2020, at 10:14 PM, ABDULKARIM
AYOPO OLOYEDE <<a
href="mailto:oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">oloyede.aa@unilorin.edu.ng</a>>
wrote:<br>
><br>
> Dear Murungi,<br>
> I have no issues with transparency, infact
what I want is transparency. What we don't want
is chaos. I don't think you would tolerate
someone attacking you personally.
<br>
> Thanks<br>
><br>
> On Sun, 31 May 2020, 19:36 Murungi Daniel,
<<a href="mailto:dmurungi@wia.co.tz"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
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wrote:<br>
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> +1 @Mark Tinka.<br>
><br>
> @Abdulkarim, it seems you have an issue
with transparency on this list. Granted, some of
Noah’s words may be heavy handed ( he is a
passionate fellow) but I see no cause for the
action you are proposing.<br>
><br>
> Your ‘power’ as Co -PWGD is not to be
wielded for stifling member voices or punishing
what you perceive to be a personal slight.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Regards,<br>
> Daniel<br>
><br>
><br>
> > On May 31, 2020, at 10:29 AM, Mark
Tinka <<a href="mailto:mark.tinka@seacom.mu"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank"
moz-do-not-send="true">mark.tinka@seacom.mu</a>>
wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On 30/May/20 08:11, ABDULKARIM AYOPO
OLOYEDE wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> Dear Noah,<br>
> >> Your last email has clearly
violated the last warning earlier issued<br>
> >> by the Co-Chair. Therefore we are
left with no choice than to moderate<br>
> >> any email you send onto this
mailing list. This would be reviewed<br>
> >> after a week.<br>
> ><br>
> > I would have to say that this is a
very slippery slope we are treading down.<br>
> ><br>
> > Mark.<br>
> ><br>
> >
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