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[rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
Daniel Yakmut
yakmutd at googlemail.com
Tue Mar 3 08:09:25 UTC 2020
Dear Badru,
"Previously denied" I meant persons that we're very eager to be part of the
face to face meeting but couldn't afford to be there for lack of funds and
opportunity.
I am not listening to myself, I am only wondering whether we are not just
busy flogging a dead horse.
I am sure Larus Foundation has being listening to the conversations, and
they can benefit from the numerous suggestions made, that can make the
fellowship better going forward. I could glean that from some of Owen's
comments.
I am again saying let us move on to better things.
Simply, I am
Daniel
On Tue, Mar 3, 2020, 08:53 Nasir Faruk <nasirfaruk at gmail.com> wrote:
> @Badru Ntege,
>
> In response to what Daniel submitted, could you please substantiate the
> real issue you felt not addressed?
>
> I quite agree with Daniel's submissions. I was just wondering what the
> term "Genuine Sponsor" could mean from those having negative thoughts about
> the LARUS fellowship programme. Could it be they are referring to the kind
> of sponsors that dictates how the meeting should flow?
>
> I am yet to see the real issue with the LARUS and if none can be clearly
> identified then I suggest the sponsors of this discussion to keep shut!
>
> Regards.
>
> Faruk.
>
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>> Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 19:46:52 +0000
>> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
>> To: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>, Lamiaa Chnayti
>> <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com>, "rpd >> AfriNIC Resource
>> Policy" <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP
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>> @Daniel Many questions were answered and many more asked. Because an
>> answer was given should mot bring the presumption that things are OK.
>>
>> When you say previously denied. You seem to make it sound like some
>> people were prevented. To my knowledge all AfriNIC meetings have. been
>> streamed and also recordings made available.
>>
>> Lets not deflect from real issues raised and the practical suggestions
>> from members.
>>
>> The assumption that members should just accept because enough people
>> repeated the same answers many times does not make the issue disappear.
>>
>> There?s something not right. Please listen to the voices of others and
>> not yours only.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Badru Ntege
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Daniel Yakmut via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> Sent: Monday, March 2, 2020 10:25 PM
>> To: Lamiaa Chnayti; Arnaud AMELINA
>> Cc: Kakel Mbumb; rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus Foundation and Afrinic PDP
>>
>>
>> Dear All,
>>
>> I have assumed that we have put to rest the case of Larus Foundation and
>> have since resumed doing important things on the PDP. But I can see the
>> devil is still in the details, regarding this matter.
>>
>> I think we need to live with the fact that Larus Foundation has shown its
>> transparency as best as they can, but this does not satisfy some members of
>> the community. I can also see that these community members are not happy
>> because Larus Foundation has brought "previously denied persons" to AfriNIC
>> meeting, and in the process breaking their monopoly and strangulating hold.
>>
>> I think asking AfriNIC organisation to pursue a genuine sponsor is
>> unhealthy and an attempt to use the establishment to pursue a perceive
>> enemy. Let us allow this dog to lie quietly.
>>
>> Simply,
>>
>> Daniel
>>
>>
>> On 02/03/2020 12:09 pm, Lamiaa Chnayti wrote:
>> Pri?re ? VOUS cher monsieur de bien lire tous les messages pr?c?dents
>> parce que tout a ?t? adress? et pourtant vous continuez ? r?p?ter ce qui a
>> d?j? ?t? mentionn?.
>>
>> Cette discussion est devenue tellement banale et r?p?titive qu'elle ne
>> suit plus aucune logique.
>>
>> Il ne s'agit justement pas de d?fendre ou d'attaquer mais de comprendre.
>> Bref, je ne gaspillerais pas plus de temps ? r?pondre ? des questions
>> auquelles moi et plein de gens ont d?j? r?pondu.
>>
>> J'esp?re que cette discussion non productive prendra fin et qu'on puisse
>> enfin se focaliser sur des sujets plus importants pour la communaut?.
>>
>> Cordialement,
>>
>>
>>
>> Le lun. 2 mars 2020 ? 9:44 AM, Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com<mailto:
>> amelnaud at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
>>
>>
>> Le lun. 2 mars 2020 ? 00:32, Lamiaa Chnayti <lamiaachnayti at gmail.com
>> <mailto:lamiaachnayti at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
>> Je suis tout ? fait d'accord avec toi Kakel.
>>
>> Je trouve qu'il est tr?s normal pour une organisation d'?tre partielle
>> tant que cel? se fait en objectivit? totale.
>> Et en quoi a-t-elle ?t? partiale ? Lorsqu'elle pr?pare des documents au
>> jugement biais? pour remettre entre les mains des jeunes qui arrivent pour
>> la premi?re fois aux r?unions d'Afrinic et pour certains c'est la premi?re
>> fois qu'ils quittent leur pays pour l'ext?rieur, je comprendrai leur
>> d?voiement ? d?fendre l'ind?fendable.
>>
>> Dailleurs, Larus ne fait peut-?tre pas l'exception mais se comporte au
>> moins d'une mani?re objective et dont les travaux sont b?n?fiques pour la
>> communaut? Africaine.
>> Ces Travaux sont b?n?fiques tu dis ? certaines communaut?s africaines,
>> Hummm J'en doute fort qu'elles soient b?n?fiques, mais plut?t nuisible oui.
>>
>> Essayons cette fois-ci de voir la grande image et de la comparer ? ses
>> semblables avant de juger ou de suivre des jugements sans pr?-requis.
>>
>> Que veux-tu dire sans pr?-requis, je pense plut?t que ceux qui d?fendent
>> cette fondation, sont ceux-l? m?me justement qui manquent ? mon humble avis
>> de pr?-requis pour comprendre les enjeux qui sont d?fendus dans ces d?bats
>> et discussions. Pri?re lire les anciens message de cette liste et regarder
>> les anciennes vid?os des r?unions d'Afrinic. Avant de venir affirmer des
>> choses ici.
>>
>>
>> Cordialement,
>>
>> Lamiaa.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Le dim. 1 mars 2020 ? 11:08 PM, Kakel Mbumb <kakelmbumb at gmail.com<mailto:
>> kakelmbumb at gmail.com>> a ?crit :
>> Je pense que les attaques contre Larus poussent aux questionnements. Ce
>> n'est pas une chose rare pour une organisation de sponsoriser des personnes
>> pour des r?unions - l'OIF d?clare ouvertement que ?les OIF organisent des
>> activit?s politiques et des actions de coop?ration multilat?rale qui sont
>> au profit des populations francophones. Ses actions respectent la diversit?
>> culturelle et linguistique et servent ? promouvoir la langue fran?aise, la
>> paix et le d?veloppement durable ?sur leur site officiel.
>>
>> ?tant moi-m?me de langue maternelle fran?aise, je pense qu'il est plut?t
>> hypocrite que certains accusent Larus d'?tre partielle tout en n'?voquant
>> rien des OIF et d'autres organisations similaires qui sont ?galement
>> form?es, comme elles le disent, au profit des populations francophones
>> uniquement.
>>
>> Nous savons tous que les OIF utilisent l'argent depuis des ann?es pour
>> amener les gens ? parler en sa faveur. Je ne porte pas de jugement et c'est
>> un fait bien connu. Je pense que c'est normal car les OIF repr?sentent
>> l'int?r?t de la population francophone. Larus est peut-?tre ? certains yeux
>> partielle . Mais il me semble que c'est objectif.
>>
>> Je pense simplement qu'il n'est pas juste pour nous de dire que Larus est
>> partielle - il est in?vitable pour l'organisation de repr?senter l'int?r?t
>> de certains groupes de personnes, mais elle doit, dans l'ensemble, rester
>> juste et objective. Je pense que Larus fait ?a.
>>
>> Internet est une soci?t? ouverte - et j'exhorte tous ? ?tre non seulement
>> ouverts, mais aussi ? ?tre justes lorsqu'il s'agit de juger un parti en
>> particulier.
>>
>> Cordialement.
>>
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:17:08 +0000
>> From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:
>> madomey at hotmail.com>>
>> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>
>> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:
>> rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
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>> Hi Owen,
>>
>> You wrote
>>
>> "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and
>> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can
>> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through
>> discussion."
>>
>>
>> Confused with all which has been said on this thread?
>>
>> Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help us
>> move on.
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>> [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> ________________________________
>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>
>> Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM
>> To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>>
>> Cc: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>; AfriNIC Resource
>> Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
>>
>> > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is
>> about a certain company influencing people views and opinions in a PDP,
>> where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only
>> theirs.
>>
>> I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and
>> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can
>> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through
>> discussion.
>>
>> That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to me.
>>
>> Owen
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>> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>
>> To: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com
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>> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:
>> rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
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>> Confused by your statement that ?attempting to influence people?s
>> opinions about policies is an abuse of the PDP.?
>>
>> As to my opinion of Jordi?s proposal, I think some portions of it have
>> merit, but the devil is in the details. I have no interest in engaging in a
>> public discussion of the finer points on this mater, however, as I have no
>> real dog in that fight. I do not believe that Jordi?s proposal would
>> increase transparency or significantly improve the quality of our
>> fellowship program.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> > On Feb 29, 2020, at 08:17 , Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com
>> <mailto:madomey at hotmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > Hi Owen,
>> >
>> > You wrote
>> >
>> > "I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss
>> and attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we
>> can ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through
>> discussion."
>> >
>> >
>> > Confused with all which has been said on this thread?
>> >
>> > Can you please respond to the question in the message [1] It will help
>> us move on.
>> >
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Marcus
>> >
>> > [1] https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html <
>> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2020/010501.html>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com<mailto:owen at delong.com>>
>> > Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 12:50 AM
>> > To: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com<mailto:madomey at hotmail.com
>> >>
>> > Cc: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>>; AfriNIC Resource
>> Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
>> >
>> > > Lastly, I thought the abuse of the PDP exposed and discussed here is
>> about a certain company influencing people views and opinions in a PDP,
>> where contributions are from individuals and views and opinions are only
>> theirs.
>> >
>> > I am confused? The entire purpose of this list is for us to discuss and
>> attempt to influence people?s opinions about policies. The only way we can
>> ever come to consensus is by influencing people?s opinions through
>> discussion.
>> >
>> > That is the PDP, not an abuse of the PDP. Please explain the abuse to
>> me.
>> >
>> > Owen
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