[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 161, Issue 31

[Maloto Nyirenda]

I think it is highly significant  that such fellows  selected  are  able to contribute in such meetings through active contributions, however the  terms of their selections are well  outlined, otherwise there is no  logic  calling participants  that are not likely to engage in such  fellowships

regards
Maloto
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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Daniel Yakmut)
   2. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Owen DeLong)


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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 13:11:21 +0100
From: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd at googlemail.com>
To: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com>, Arnaud AMELINA
        <amelnaud at gmail.com>, AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
        <rpd at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
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I suspect when we ask questions, and the questions are coming from a non
bias perception, then I believe you will have received several
responses. However, I will attempt to say that Larus Foundation's major
objective can be surmised as "Providing opportunity, increasing access
and exposing young Africans to the AfriNIC processes"

- How they choose their Fellows is at there discretion.

- How they evaluate the Fellows is also their business, however they may
wish, to one day give us the result of their impact analysis. At that
point we can appreciate Larus Foundation for giving young Africans an
opportunity to contribute to the growth of the Internet Community in Africa.

- I strongly support that Larus Foundation provides their Fellows with
some stipend either as a blanket support or tied to some form of
performance indicators, this should not be a subject of interest to
anyone, since the person is not providing the funds.

- Lastly, I have seen Larus Foundation becoming more open with their
processes in the last two meetings, which gives any African the
opportunity to apply for the fellow and possibly be selected to attend.

Just my attempt to respond and remove the bizarre silence.

Simply,

Daniel

On 14/02/2020 9:50 pm, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:

> Dear Community,

>

> It looks bizarre that the questions asked here got no responses so

> far. I do hope the Larus Foundation will provide them soon to

> enlighten this community.

>

>

> Marcus

>

> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/blhgte>

> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> *From:* Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>

> *Sent:* Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:21:14 PM

> *To:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>

> *Subject:* [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

> Dear community,

>

> You may remember the? recent discussions about Larus? Foundation

> fellowship in respect to? educational documents provided to fellows as

> meeting background material(*) and which? intended to condition their

> views on proposals and their contributions at the PPM and after..

>

> https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html

>

> I came across the actual agreement? which defines the terms and

> conditions under which? the fellowship program work.

>

> The agreement signed by each fellow stipulated the followings:

>

> Page 1

> Larus Foundation? obligations to offer the fellowship program and

> payments are subject to terms and conditions and? *fellow performance*

>

> Page 2

> Fellow is expected to meaningfully participate in the meeting, not

> just sit in the meeting room. This can include voicing opinions,

> responding to comments, participate in Hallway conversations.....

>

>

> Page 5

> Upon fellow completion of the fellowship program at Larus? foundation

> satisfaction... Larus will offer stipends... the final decision for

> the disbursement of the stipends is subject to Larus?s sole discretion...

>

> Value of the stipend: There are two parts that form the total value of

> the stipend as the followings:

> First part(advanced payment): in the form of airfare, hotel, other

> transportation costs for the meeting paid up front? by Larus.

>

> The second part: the remainder will be paid after the meeting... the

> value is in the range of 0 to 500$. Stipend payment is contingent to

> fellow attendance and participation and conformance to the fellowship

> terms and conditions? herein....

>

> Larus judgment on fellow participation will be final and binding to

> the parties

>

> At Larus sole discretion, in the event that fellow fails to actively

> participate in fellowship program and in the meeting or violate this

> terms and conditions, the stipend will not be offered.? In addition,

> Larus is entitled to seek indemnify for all costs pay up front? by

> Larus and any cost associated to the collection of such compensation,

> including but not limited to court? costs, collection costs and attorney.

> =====

>

> The following questions come to mind:

>

> 1-? From the educational material given to fellows which is purely

> based? on Larus views on each proposals, positions to defend, what are

> the objectives set for each policy meeting and how are the objectives

> aligned with the general community interest?

>

> 2- Would Larus assume under these terms and conditions that opinions

> expressed? by fellows during policy meetings are Larus opinions? and

> do not represent fellow individual opinions?

>

> 3- how is fellow performance measured as it is at Larus sole

> discretion? What are the metrics and values used to determine the

> performance level?

>

> 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$) applied? based on the fellow performance?

>

> Regards

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Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:21:22 -0800
From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP
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> On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com> wrote:

>

> Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to the amount of time they public spend at the mic ??


No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the sessions. However, we also don?t want to see purely passive sitting through sessions, but actual active engagement in them.


> Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly question but looks like ?open mic minutes for sell?


I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical possible view. Please note that I said the comments must be relevant.

We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.


> As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of helping the community we must always be cognizant of the bellow the line motives.


While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process, I can assure you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My motivation in this process is to
encourage additional active participation. It is my belief that the best policies will evolve from the most engaged community.


> Pls note I?m reading from the response.  And not insinuating any motives but as they say If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.


Please just say what you mean.

Owen


>

> ......just saying

>

> BN

>

>

> Badru Ntege

> Group CEO

> NFTCONSULT

> +256 772712088

> Twt: ntegeb

>

> From: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at hotmail.com>

> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 3:00 AM

> To: Arnaud AMELINA; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List

> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>

> Dear Community,

>

> It looks bizarre that the questions asked here got no responses so far. I do hope the Larus Foundation will provide them soon to enlighten this community.

>

>

> Marcus

>

> Sent from Outlook Mobile <https://aka.ms/blhgte>

> From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud at gmail.com>

> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:21:14 PM

> To: rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>

> Subject: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP

>

> Dear community,

>

> You may remember the  recent discussions about Larus  Foundation fellowship in respect to  educational documents provided to fellows as meeting background material(*) and which  intended to condition their views on proposals and their contributions at the PPM and after..

>

>  https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html>

>

> I came across the actual agreement  which defines the terms and conditions under which  the fellowship program work.

>

> The agreement signed by each fellow stipulated the followings:

>

> Page 1

> Larus Foundation  obligations to offer the fellowship program and payments are subject to terms and conditions and  *fellow performance*

>

> Page 2

> Fellow is expected to meaningfully participate in the meeting, not just sit in the meeting room. This can include voicing opinions, responding to comments, participate in Hallway conversations.....

>

>

> Page 5

> Upon fellow completion of the fellowship program at Larus  foundation satisfaction... Larus will offer stipends... the final decision for the disbursement of the stipends is subject to Larus?s sole discretion...

>

> Value of the stipend: There are two parts that form the total value of the stipend as the followings:

> First part(advanced payment): in the form of airfare, hotel, other transportation costs for the meeting paid up front  by Larus.

>

> The second part: the remainder will be paid after the meeting... the value is in the range of 0 to 500$. Stipend payment is contingent to fellow attendance and participation and conformance to the fellowship terms and conditions  herein....

>

> Larus judgment on fellow participation will be final and binding to the parties

>

> At Larus sole discretion, in the event that fellow fails to actively participate in fellowship program and in the meeting or violate this terms and conditions, the stipend will not be offered.  In addition, Larus is entitled to seek indemnify for all costs pay up front  by Larus and any cost associated to the collection of such compensation, including but not limited to court  costs, collection costs and attorney.

> =====

>

> The following questions come to mind:

>

> 1-  From the educational material given to fellows which is purely based  on Larus views on each proposals, positions to defend, what are the objectives set  for each policy meeting and how are the objectives aligned with the general community interest?

>

> 2- Would Larus assume under these terms and conditions that opinions expressed  by fellows during policy meetings are Larus opinions  and do not represent fellow individual opinions?

>

> 3- how is fellow performance measured as it is at Larus sole discretion? What are the metrics and values used to determine the performance level?

>

> 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$) applied  based on the fellow performance?

>

> Regards

> __

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