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1. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Daniel Yakmut)<br>
2. Re: Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP (Owen DeLong)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 13:11:21 +0100<br>
From: Daniel Yakmut <yakmutd@googlemail.com><br>
To: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey@hotmail.com>, Arnaud AMELINA<br>
<amelnaud@gmail.com>, AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List<br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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I suspect when we ask questions, and the questions are coming from a non <br>
bias perception, then I believe you will have received several <br>
responses. However, I will attempt to say that Larus Foundation's major <br>
objective can be surmised as "Providing opportunity, increasing access <br>
and exposing young Africans to the AfriNIC processes"<br>
<br>
- How they choose their Fellows is at there discretion.<br>
<br>
- How they evaluate the Fellows is also their business, however they may <br>
wish, to one day give us the result of their impact analysis. At that <br>
point we can appreciate Larus Foundation for giving young Africans an <br>
opportunity to contribute to the growth of the Internet Community in Africa.<br>
<br>
- I strongly support that Larus Foundation provides their Fellows with <br>
some stipend either as a blanket support or tied to some form of <br>
performance indicators, this should not be a subject of interest to <br>
anyone, since the person is not providing the funds.<br>
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- Lastly, I have seen Larus Foundation becoming more open with their <br>
processes in the last two meetings, which gives any African the <br>
opportunity to apply for the fellow and possibly be selected to attend.<br>
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Just my attempt to respond and remove the bizarre silence.<br>
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Simply,<br>
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Daniel<br>
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On 14/02/2020 9:50 pm, Marcus K. G. Adomey wrote:<br>
> Dear Community,<br>
><br>
> It looks bizarre that the questions asked here got no responses so <br>
> far. I do hope the Larus Foundation will provide them soon to <br>
> enlighten this community.<br>
><br>
><br>
> Marcus<br>
><br>
> Sent from Outlook Mobile <<a href="https://aka.ms/blhgte">https://aka.ms/blhgte</a>><br>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<br>
> *From:* Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud@gmail.com><br>
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:21:14 PM<br>
> *To:* rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
> *Subject:* [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
> Dear community,<br>
><br>
> You may remember the? recent discussions about Larus? Foundation <br>
> fellowship in respect to? educational documents provided to fellows as <br>
> meeting background material(*) and which? intended to condition their <br>
> views on proposals and their contributions at the PPM and after..<br>
><br>
> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html</a><br>
><br>
> I came across the actual agreement? which defines the terms and <br>
> conditions under which? the fellowship program work.<br>
><br>
> The agreement signed by each fellow stipulated the followings:<br>
><br>
> Page 1<br>
> Larus Foundation? obligations to offer the fellowship program and <br>
> payments are subject to terms and conditions and? *fellow performance*<br>
><br>
> Page 2<br>
> Fellow is expected to meaningfully participate in the meeting, not <br>
> just sit in the meeting room. This can include voicing opinions, <br>
> responding to comments, participate in Hallway conversations.....<br>
><br>
><br>
> Page 5<br>
> Upon fellow completion of the fellowship program at Larus? foundation <br>
> satisfaction... Larus will offer stipends... the final decision for <br>
> the disbursement of the stipends is subject to Larus?s sole discretion...<br>
><br>
> Value of the stipend: There are two parts that form the total value of <br>
> the stipend as the followings:<br>
> First part(advanced payment): in the form of airfare, hotel, other <br>
> transportation costs for the meeting paid up front? by Larus.<br>
><br>
> The second part: the remainder will be paid after the meeting... the <br>
> value is in the range of 0 to 500$. Stipend payment is contingent to <br>
> fellow attendance and participation and conformance to the fellowship <br>
> terms and conditions? herein....<br>
><br>
> Larus judgment on fellow participation will be final and binding to <br>
> the parties<br>
><br>
> At Larus sole discretion, in the event that fellow fails to actively <br>
> participate in fellowship program and in the meeting or violate this <br>
> terms and conditions, the stipend will not be offered.? In addition, <br>
> Larus is entitled to seek indemnify for all costs pay up front? by <br>
> Larus and any cost associated to the collection of such compensation, <br>
> including but not limited to court? costs, collection costs and attorney.<br>
> =====<br>
><br>
> The following questions come to mind:<br>
><br>
> 1-? From the educational material given to fellows which is purely <br>
> based? on Larus views on each proposals, positions to defend, what are <br>
> the objectives set for each policy meeting and how are the objectives <br>
> aligned with the general community interest?<br>
><br>
> 2- Would Larus assume under these terms and conditions that opinions <br>
> expressed? by fellows during policy meetings are Larus opinions? and <br>
> do not represent fellow individual opinions?<br>
><br>
> 3- how is fellow performance measured as it is at Larus sole <br>
> discretion? What are the metrics and values used to determine the <br>
> performance level?<br>
><br>
> 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$) applied? based on the fellow performance?<br>
><br>
> Regards<br>
> __<br>
><br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 14:21:22 -0800<br>
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com><br>
To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege@nftconsult.com><br>
Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
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> On Feb 14, 2020, at 22:35 , Badru Ntege <badru.ntege@nftconsult.com> wrote:<br>
> <br>
> Am i reading that participants will be rewarded due to the amount of time they public spend at the mic ??
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No. Amount of time is only relevant in attendance at the sessions. However, we also don?t want to see purely passive sitting through sessions, but actual active engagement in them.<br>
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> Just asking what might outrightly be seen as a silly question but looks like ?open mic minutes for sell?<br>
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I realize you and some others wish to take the most cynical possible view. Please note that I said the comments must be relevant.<br>
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We are attempting to encourage legitimate active participation.<br>
<br>
> As much as we appreciate the above the line opticals of helping the community we must always be cognizant of the bellow the line motives.
<br>
<br>
While I cannot speak for everyone involved in this process, I can assure you that I have no below-the-line motivation. My motivation in this process is to<br>
encourage additional active participation. It is my belief that the best policies will evolve from the most engaged community.<br>
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> Pls note I?m reading from the response. And not insinuating any motives but as they say If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and quacks like a duck, then it probably is a duck.<br>
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Please just say what you mean.<br>
<br>
Owen<br>
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> <br>
> ......just saying<br>
> <br>
> BN<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Badru Ntege<br>
> Group CEO<br>
> NFTCONSULT<br>
> +256 772712088<br>
> Twt: ntegeb<br>
> <br>
> From: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey@hotmail.com><br>
> Sent: Saturday, February 15, 2020 3:00 AM<br>
> To: Arnaud AMELINA; AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List<br>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
> <br>
> Dear Community,<br>
> <br>
> It looks bizarre that the questions asked here got no responses so far. I do hope the Larus Foundation will provide them soon to enlighten this community.<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Marcus<br>
> <br>
> Sent from Outlook Mobile <<a href="https://aka.ms/blhgte">https://aka.ms/blhgte</a>><br>
> From: Arnaud AMELINA <amelnaud@gmail.com><br>
> Sent: Sunday, January 12, 2020 12:21:14 PM<br>
> To: rpd >> AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd@afrinic.net><br>
> Subject: [rpd] Larus foundation and Afrinic PDP<br>
> <br>
> Dear community,<br>
> <br>
> You may remember the recent discussions about Larus Foundation fellowship in respect to educational documents provided to fellows as meeting background material(*) and which intended to condition their views on proposals and their contributions at the
PPM and after..<br>
> <br>
> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html</a> <<a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html">https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2019/009734.html</a>><br>
> <br>
> I came across the actual agreement which defines the terms and conditions under which the fellowship program work.<br>
> <br>
> The agreement signed by each fellow stipulated the followings:<br>
> <br>
> Page 1<br>
> Larus Foundation obligations to offer the fellowship program and payments are subject to terms and conditions and *fellow performance*<br>
> <br>
> Page 2<br>
> Fellow is expected to meaningfully participate in the meeting, not just sit in the meeting room. This can include voicing opinions, responding to comments, participate in Hallway conversations.....<br>
> <br>
> <br>
> Page 5<br>
> Upon fellow completion of the fellowship program at Larus foundation satisfaction... Larus will offer stipends... the final decision for the disbursement of the stipends is subject to Larus?s sole discretion...<br>
> <br>
> Value of the stipend: There are two parts that form the total value of the stipend as the followings:<br>
> First part(advanced payment): in the form of airfare, hotel, other transportation costs for the meeting paid up front by Larus.<br>
> <br>
> The second part: the remainder will be paid after the meeting... the value is in the range of 0 to 500$. Stipend payment is contingent to fellow attendance and participation and conformance to the fellowship terms and conditions herein....<br>
> <br>
> Larus judgment on fellow participation will be final and binding to the parties<br>
> <br>
> At Larus sole discretion, in the event that fellow fails to actively participate in fellowship program and in the meeting or violate this terms and conditions, the stipend will not be offered. In addition, Larus is entitled to seek indemnify for all costs
pay up front by Larus and any cost associated to the collection of such compensation, including but not limited to court costs, collection costs and attorney.<br>
> =====<br>
> <br>
> The following questions come to mind:<br>
> <br>
> 1- From the educational material given to fellows which is purely based on Larus views on each proposals, positions to defend, what are the objectives set for each policy meeting and how are the objectives aligned with the general community interest?<br>
> <br>
> 2- Would Larus assume under these terms and conditions that opinions expressed by fellows during policy meetings are Larus opinions and do not represent fellow individual opinions?
<br>
> <br>
> 3- how is fellow performance measured as it is at Larus sole discretion? What are the metrics and values used to determine the performance level?<br>
> <br>
> 4-how is the reward (0 to 500$) applied based on the fellow performance?<br>
> <br>
> Regards <br>
> __<br>
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