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[rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals
Sylvain BAYA
abscoco at gmail.com
Mon Jul 15 03:24:32 UTC 2019
Hi all,
Hope you are in good health.
Please see below (inline)...
Le 7/13/2019 à 12:11 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD a écrit :
> [...]
>
> (please see my presentation slides, video, etc.,
> https://www.internetsummit.africa/components/com_afmeeting/speakers/3283/3-Jordi-AFPUB-2019-v4-001-002.pdf,
> https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/video-day-3)
>
Thanks Jordi.
> I’m just considering ARIN here because is the bigger donor of
> addresses (right now) to other regions, but of course, you can make
> the same rational when the other regions keep increasing the IPv6
> deployment level.
>
>
>
> If AFRINIC “enters” in the inter-RIR transfers “system” that we have
> now in the other 4 regions, this is the outcome, IF and ONLY IF, we
> have a reciprocal policy (at least for some regions, and specially ARIN):
>
> 1. AFRINIC will be able to get addresses from ARIN and other regions.
> 2. When the other regions increase their level of IPv6 deployment,
> they will become “natural” donors from many of the addresses that
> they got from ARIN. Of course, the speed of this will be different
> from region to region.
> 3. At the end of the history, when AFRINIC has a very good IPv6
> deployment penetration, the need for IPv4 addresses and the
> “value”, will start decreasing.
>
>
>
> Nobody has the crystal ball, that’s clear, but historical data
> reflects reality and trends.
>
>
>
> Why this is going to be different if AFRINIC comes into the
> “inter-RIR” system?
>
...uncertainty ?
>
> Now, all that said, I fully understand the “fear to the unknown” and
> that the community want to have some kind of protection, in the very
> strange case, that this time, the trends change suddenly what the
> historical data tells up to now.
>
>
>
> This is why my proposal is:
>
> 1. Amend the policy proposal with the point raised by the staff,
> which hopefully I can see in the impact analysis soon.
> 2. Amend the policy proposal with other comments received during the
> presentation and the list discussion.
> 3. Include as a “security belt” the measures that we discussed in the
> list discussion:
>
> 1. Each time a transfer is completed, the relevant,
> non-confidential information will be automatically published in a
> specific web page, including at least: Date of the transfer,
> transferred addresses, source organization and RIR, destination
> organization and RIR.
>
> 2. The Inter-RIR transfers will only be enabled once AFRINIC
> enter into Exhaustion Phase 2 (5.4.3.2).
>
...still ok with 1. & 2.
> 3. The Inter-RIR transfers will be automatically suspended in
> case the number of outgoing IPv4 addresses exceeds the incoming ones
> by six consecutive months.
>
...no need to suspend the entire policy, and no need to count the months :-)
>
> 4. The staff can provisionally suspend any suspicious operation
> that creates a big unbalance against AFRINIC, until the board takes a
> decision.
>
...no need for any BoD intervention here, in fact i see it otherwise,
please see below ;-)
>
> This provides: transparency to the transfers, timeline to start, an
> automatic check month to month and “insurance of risk” at month 6
> after implementation and then every next month, a further check of any
> suspicious operation that can be suspended by the staff so the board
> can decide about it or tell the community “this or that is happening,
> should we do something, should we definitively cancel the policy, etc.”.
>
...again, i prefer no BoD interventions.
>
> If somebody thinks this is not enough, please, explain why and propose
>
To bypass the BoD intervention (4.), i propose an amendment which
consists of a provision to automatically **switch** to a **minimal state
of this policy**, where only incoming inter-RIR IPv4 transfers are
allowed until the in/out balance pass zero
(exceeding by incoming transfers).
...of course, the same switching approach is sufficient to remove the
need to stop/suspend the whole policy (3.) in case of *panic*.
This **switching approach** could do more as expected :-)
...so think of a possibility to also switch, in some cases
(TBD—ToBeDefine), to the innovative alternative proposed by Souad.
>
> an alternative solution.
>
Alternatively, the above amendment should bring more light to my
previous proposition
and approach. Let me paste its requirements here again :
* This is an alternative approach
* With it we can considerably diminish the risk of a deficitary in/out
balance
* By difining a dedicated period to collect the inter-RIR transfer
submissions (cases)
* By difining a dedicated period to study the inter-RIR transfer submitted
* These periods put together constitute a full cycle of inter-RIR transfer
* A cycle ends by the publication (at the same time), by the Staff, of
the results|decisions
of the cases studied during that cycle
* Cycles are continued
* Durations (cycle, submission period, study period) : TBD (To Be Define)
* Special treathment for incoming transfers ;-)
* More control on the in/out balance
* Focus : *goal* balance
Shalom,
--sb.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
> [...]
>
> ------ Original message------
>
> *From: *SOUAD ABIDI
>
> *Date: *Fri, Jul 12, 2019 6:50 AM
>
> *To: *AfriNIC List;
>
> *Cc: *
>
> *Subject:*[rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals
>
>
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> As IPv4 are finite and if we do the transfer, our resources may
> run out from our region-since there is no a explicit control
> motioned in the policy - As some people argue.
>
> Here what I suggest :
>
>
>
> ?? Establishing a leasing contract between the seller and
> the buyer up to 5 years with a possibility to renew it and
> AfriNIC will be the 3^rd part of the deal .
>
> ?? AfriNIC takes no money and makes no approval.
>
> ?? The buyer needs to be registered somehow in the world.
>
> ?? The contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts
> (afriNIC-seller-buyer)
>
> So buy adopting this approach and if we notice that our
> resources are running out from our region, we can decide to bring
> them back and the companies do not renew the contract with .
>
>
>
> Best regards.
>
> Souad
>
> [...]
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Regards,
Sylvain B.
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