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<p>Hi all,
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<div>Hope you are in good health.</div>
<div>Please see below (inline)...<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 7/13/2019 à 12:11 PM, JORDI PALET
MARTINEZ via RPD a écrit :<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">(please see my presentation slides, video,
etc., </span><a
href="https://www.internetsummit.africa/components/com_afmeeting/speakers/3283/3-Jordi-AFPUB-2019-v4-001-002.pdf"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">https://www.internetsummit.africa/components/com_afmeeting/speakers/3283/3-Jordi-AFPUB-2019-v4-001-002.pdf</span></a><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">, </span><a
href="https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/video-day-3"
moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/video-day-3</span></a><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">)</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<div>Thanks Jordi.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">I’m just considering ARIN here because is the
bigger donor of addresses (right now) to other regions, but
of course, you can make the same rational when the other
regions keep increasing the IPv6 deployment level.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">If AFRINIC “enters” in the inter-RIR transfers
“system” that we have now in the other 4 regions, this is
the outcome, IF and ONLY IF, we have a reciprocal policy (at
least for some regions, and specially ARIN):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">AFRINIC will be able to get addresses from
ARIN and other regions.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">When the other regions increase their level
of IPv6 deployment, they will become “natural” donors from
many of the addresses that they got from ARIN. Of course,
the speed of this will be different from region to region.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">At the end of the history, when AFRINIC has a
very good IPv6 deployment penetration, the need for IPv4
addresses and the “value”, will start decreasing.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Nobody has the crystal ball, that’s clear, but
historical data reflects reality and trends.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Why this is going to be different if AFRINIC
comes into the “inter-RIR” system?</span></p>
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<div>...uncertainty ?</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Now, all that said, I fully understand the
“fear to the unknown” and that the community want to have
some kind of protection, in the very strange case, that this
time, the trends change suddenly what the historical data
tells up to now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">This is why my proposal is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1">
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Amend the policy proposal with the point
raised by the staff, which hopefully I can see in the
impact analysis soon.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Amend the policy proposal with other comments
received during the presentation and the list discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
<li class="MsoListParagraph"
style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Include as a “security belt” the measures
that we discussed in the list discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
</ol>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">1. Each time a transfer is completed, the
relevant, non-confidential information will be automatically
published in a specific web page, including at least: Date
of the transfer, transferred addresses, source organization
and RIR, destination organization and RIR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">2. The Inter-RIR transfers will only be
enabled once AFRINIC enter into Exhaustion Phase 2
(5.4.3.2).</span></p>
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<div> ...still ok with 1. & 2.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"></span>
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cite="mid:8FB6540B-B4D2-42A7-A82B-6288563CEB51@consulintel.es">
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<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">3. The Inter-RIR transfers will be
automatically suspended in case the number of outgoing IPv4
addresses exceeds the incoming ones by six consecutive
months.</span></p>
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<div>...no need to suspend the entire policy, and no need to count
the months :-)</div>
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cite="mid:8FB6540B-B4D2-42A7-A82B-6288563CEB51@consulintel.es">
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<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">4. The staff can provisionally suspend
any suspicious operation that creates a big unbalance
against AFRINIC, until the board takes a decision.</span></p>
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<div>...no need for any BoD intervention here, in fact i see it
otherwise, please see below ;-)</div>
<div> </div>
<span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">This provides: transparency to the transfers,
timeline to start, an automatic check month to month and
“insurance of risk” at month 6 after implementation and then
every next month, a further check of any suspicious
operation that can be suspended by the staff so the board
can decide about it or tell the community “this or that is
happening, should we do something, should we definitively
cancel the policy, etc.”.</span></p>
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<span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span><o:p><br>
</o:p>
<div>...again, i prefer no BoD interventions.</div>
<div> </div>
<span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">If somebody thinks this is not enough, please,
explain why and propose </span></p>
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<div>To bypass the BoD intervention (4.), i propose an amendment
which consists of a provision to automatically *<b>switch</b>* to
a *<b>minimal state of this policy</b>*, where only incoming
inter-RIR IPv4 transfers are allowed until the in/out balance pass
zero <br>
(exceeding by incoming transfers).</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>...of course, the same switching approach is sufficient to
remove the need to stop/suspend the whole policy (3.) in case of
*panic*. </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>This *<b>switching approach</b>* could do more as expected :-)<br>
<br>
</div>
<div>...so think of a possibility to also switch, in some cases
(TBD—ToBeDefine), to the innovative alternative proposed by Souad.</div>
<div> </div>
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cite="mid:8FB6540B-B4D2-42A7-A82B-6288563CEB51@consulintel.es">
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">an alternative solution.</span></p>
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</blockquote>
<br>
<div>Alternatively, the above amendment should bring more light to
my previous proposition <br>
and approach. Let me paste its requirements here again : </div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>* This is an alternative approach <br>
* With it we can considerably diminish the risk of a deficitary
in/out balance<br>
* By difining a dedicated period to collect the inter-RIR transfer
submissions (cases)<br>
* By difining a dedicated period to study the inter-RIR transfer
submitted<br>
* These periods put together constitute a full cycle of inter-RIR
transfer<br>
* A cycle ends by the publication (at the same time), by the
Staff, of the results|decisions <br>
of the cases studied during that cycle<br>
* Cycles are continued<br>
* Durations (cycle, submission period, study period) : TBD (To Be
Define)<br>
* Special treathment for incoming transfers ;-)<br>
* More control on the in/out balance<br>
* Focus : *goal* balance<br>
<br>
</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Shalom,</div>
<div>--sb.</div>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang="EN-US"><o:p> [...]</o:p></span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> <br>
</o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">From: </span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">SOUAD ABIDI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">Date: </span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">Fri, Jul 12, 2019 6:50
AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">To: </span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">AfriNIC List;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">Cc: </span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">Subject:</span></b><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">[rpd] inputs on IPv4
Inter-RIR policy proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">Hello, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">As IPv4 are finite
and if we do the transfer, our resources may
run out from our region-since there is no a
explicit control motioned in the policy - As
some people argue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt">Here what I suggest
: <o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
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<div>
<p
class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"
lang="EN-GB">??</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Establishing
a leasing contract between the seller and the
buyer up to 5 years with a possibility to
renew it and AfriNIC will be the 3<sup>rd</sup>
part of the deal .</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"
lang="EN-GB">??</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">AfriNIC
takes no money and makes no approval. </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"
lang="EN-GB">??</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">The
buyer needs to be registered somehow in the
world.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"
lang="EN-GB">??</span><span
style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times
New Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB"> </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">The
contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts
(afriNIC-seller-buyer)</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">So buy
adopting this approach and if we notice that
our resources are running out from our region,
we can decide to bring them back and the
companies do not renew the contract with . </span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Best
regards.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p
class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Souad</span><span
style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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