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    <p>Hi all,
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    <div>Hope you are in good health.</div>
    <div>Please see below (inline)...<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 7/13/2019 à 12:11 PM, JORDI PALET
      MARTINEZ via RPD a écrit :<br>
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      cite="mid:8FB6540B-B4D2-42A7-A82B-6288563CEB51@consulintel.es">
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      <div class="WordSection1">[...]<br>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">(please see my presentation slides, video,
            etc., </span><a
href="https://www.internetsummit.africa/components/com_afmeeting/speakers/3283/3-Jordi-AFPUB-2019-v4-001-002.pdf"
            moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">https://www.internetsummit.africa/components/com_afmeeting/speakers/3283/3-Jordi-AFPUB-2019-v4-001-002.pdf</span></a><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">, </span><a
            href="https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/video-day-3"
            moz-do-not-send="true"><span lang="EN-US">https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/agenda/video-day-3</span></a><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">)</span><span lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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    <br>
    <div>Thanks Jordi.</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:8FB6540B-B4D2-42A7-A82B-6288563CEB51@consulintel.es">
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        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">I’m just considering ARIN here because is the
            bigger donor of addresses (right now) to other regions, but
            of course, you can make the same rational when the other
            regions keep increasing the IPv6 deployment level.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">If AFRINIC “enters” in the inter-RIR transfers
            “system” that we have now in the other 4 regions, this is
            the outcome, IF and ONLY IF, we have a reciprocal policy (at
            least for some regions, and specially ARIN):<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1">
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">AFRINIC will be able to get addresses from
              ARIN and other regions.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">When the other regions increase their level
              of IPv6 deployment, they will become “natural” donors from
              many of the addresses that they got from ARIN. Of course,
              the speed of this will be different from region to region.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l2 level1 lfo2"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">At the end of the history, when AFRINIC has a
              very good IPv6 deployment penetration, the need for IPv4
              addresses and the “value”, will start decreasing.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Nobody has the crystal ball, that’s clear, but
            historical data reflects reality and trends.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Why this is going to be different if AFRINIC
            comes into the “inter-RIR” system?</span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <div>...uncertainty ?</div>
    <div> </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:8FB6540B-B4D2-42A7-A82B-6288563CEB51@consulintel.es">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">Now, all that said, I fully understand the
            “fear to the unknown” and that the community want to have
            some kind of protection, in the very strange case, that this
            time, the trends change suddenly what the historical data
            tells up to now.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">This is why my proposal is:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="1">
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Amend the policy proposal with the point
              raised by the staff, which hopefully I can see in the
              impact analysis soon.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Amend the policy proposal with other comments
              received during the presentation and the list discussion.<o:p></o:p></span></li>
          <li class="MsoListParagraph"
            style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo3"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Include as a “security belt” the measures
              that we discussed in the list discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></li>
        </ol>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">1.       Each time a transfer is completed, the
            relevant, non-confidential information will be automatically
            published in a specific web page, including at least: Date
            of the transfer, transferred addresses, source organization
            and RIR, destination organization and RIR.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">2.       The Inter-RIR transfers will only be
            enabled once AFRINIC enter into Exhaustion Phase 2
            (5.4.3.2).</span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <div> ...still ok with 1. & 2.</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"></span>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:8FB6540B-B4D2-42A7-A82B-6288563CEB51@consulintel.es">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">3.       The Inter-RIR transfers will be
            automatically suspended in case the number of outgoing IPv4
            addresses exceeds the incoming ones by six consecutive
            months.</span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <div>...no need to suspend the entire policy, and no need to count
      the months :-)</div>
    <div> </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:8FB6540B-B4D2-42A7-A82B-6288563CEB51@consulintel.es">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoListParagraph"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">4.       The staff can provisionally suspend
            any suspicious operation that creates a big unbalance
            against AFRINIC, until the board takes a decision.</span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <div>...no need for any BoD intervention here, in fact i see it
      otherwise, please see below ;-)</div>
    <div> </div>
    <span style="font-size:12.0pt" lang="EN-US"></span>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:8FB6540B-B4D2-42A7-A82B-6288563CEB51@consulintel.es">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">This provides: transparency to the transfers,
            timeline to start, an automatic check month to month and
            “insurance of risk” at month 6 after implementation and then
            every next month, a further check of any suspicious
            operation that can be suspended by the staff so the board
            can decide about it or tell the community “this or that is
            happening, should we do something, should we definitively
            cancel the policy, etc.”.</span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
      lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span><o:p><br>
    </o:p>
    <div>...again, i prefer no BoD interventions.</div>
    <div> </div>
    <span style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
      lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:8FB6540B-B4D2-42A7-A82B-6288563CEB51@consulintel.es">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">If somebody thinks this is not enough, please,
            explain why and propose </span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <div>To bypass the BoD intervention (4.), i propose an amendment
      which consists of a provision to automatically *<b>switch</b>* to
      a *<b>minimal state of this policy</b>*, where only incoming
      inter-RIR IPv4 transfers are allowed until the in/out balance pass
      zero <br>
      (exceeding by incoming transfers).</div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>...of course, the same switching approach is sufficient to
      remove the need to stop/suspend the whole policy (3.) in case of
      *panic*. </div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>This *<b>switching approach</b>* could do more as expected :-)<br>
      <br>
    </div>
    <div>...so think of a possibility to also switch, in some cases
      (TBD—ToBeDefine), to the innovative alternative proposed by Souad.</div>
    <div> </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:8FB6540B-B4D2-42A7-A82B-6288563CEB51@consulintel.es">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US">an alternative solution.</span></p>
      </div>
    </blockquote>
    <br>
    <div>Alternatively, the above amendment should bring more light to
      my previous proposition <br>
      and approach. Let me paste its requirements here again : </div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>* This is an alternative approach <br>
      * With it we can considerably diminish the risk of a deficitary
      in/out balance<br>
      * By difining a dedicated period to collect the inter-RIR transfer
      submissions (cases)<br>
      * By difining a dedicated period to study the inter-RIR transfer
      submitted<br>
      * These periods put together constitute a full cycle of inter-RIR
      transfer<br>
      * A cycle ends by the publication (at the same time), by the
      Staff, of the results|decisions <br>
      of the cases studied during that cycle<br>
      * Cycles are continued<br>
      * Durations (cycle, submission period, study period) : TBD (To Be
      Define)<br>
      * Special treathment for incoming transfers ;-)<br>
      * More control on the in/out balance<br>
      * Focus : *goal* balance<br>
      <br>
    </div>
    <div><br>
    </div>
    <div>Shalom,</div>
    <div>--sb.</div>
    <div> </div>
    <blockquote type="cite"
      cite="mid:8FB6540B-B4D2-42A7-A82B-6288563CEB51@consulintel.es">
      <div class="WordSection1">
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"><span
            style="font-size:12.0pt;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
            lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
        <div>
          <p class="MsoNormal"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black" lang="EN-US">Regards,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">Jordi<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US">@jordipalet<o:p></o:p></span></p>
          <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
              style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black;mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
              lang="EN-US"><o:p> [...]</o:p></span><span
              style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> <br>
              </o:p></span></p>
        </div>
        <div>
          <blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC
            1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm
            6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm">
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              <div>
                <div id="m_82799172288679912LGEmailHeader">
                  <div></div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt">------ Original
                        message------<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt">From: </span></b><span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt">SOUAD ABIDI<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt">Date: </span></b><span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt">Fri, Jul 12, 2019 6:50
                        AM<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt">To: </span></b><span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt">AfriNIC List;<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt">Cc: </span></b><span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><b><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt">Subject:</span></b><span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt">[rpd] inputs on IPv4
                        Inter-RIR policy proposals<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                  </div>
                </div>
                <div>
                  <div>
                    <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                        style="font-size:10.0pt">Hello, <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt">As IPv4 are finite
                          and if we do the transfer, our resources may
                          run out from our region-since there is no a
                          explicit control motioned in the policy - As
                          some people argue.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt">Here what I suggest
                          : <o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
                    <div>
                      <p
                        class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
                        style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"
                          lang="EN-GB">??</span><span
                          style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times
                          New Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB">         </span><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Establishing
                          a leasing contract between the seller and the
                          buyer up to 5  years with a possibility to
                          renew it and AfriNIC  will be the 3<sup>rd</sup>
                          part of the          deal .</span><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p
                        class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
                        style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"
                          lang="EN-GB">??</span><span
                          style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times
                          New Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB">         </span><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">AfriNIC
                          takes no money  and  makes no  approval.  </span><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p
                        class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
                        style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"
                          lang="EN-GB">??</span><span
                          style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times
                          New Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB">         </span><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">The
                          buyer needs to be registered somehow in the
                          world.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p
                        class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
                        style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Symbol"
                          lang="EN-GB">??</span><span
                          style="font-size:7.0pt;font-family:"Times
                          New Roman",serif" lang="EN-GB">         </span><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">The
                          contract needs to be signed by the 3 parts
                          (afriNIC-seller-buyer)</span><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p
                        class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
                        style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">So buy
                          adopting  this approach and  if we notice that
                          our resources are running out from our region,
                          we can decide to bring them back and the
                          companies do not renew the contract with .  </span><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p
                        class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
                        style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
                      <p
                        class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
                        style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Best
                          regards.</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                      <p
                        class="m82799172288679912gmail-msolistparagraph"
                        style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt" lang="EN-GB">Souad</span><span
                          style="font-size:10.0pt"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
                    </div>
                  </div>
                </div>
              </div>
            </div>
          </blockquote>
        </div>
        [...]</div>
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