[rpd] [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

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Dear AFRInIC Staff,
Can you please provide us the list of all the mentors used during the last
Afrinic meeting?

Thanks.
Jehovahseun

On Thu, 4 Jul 2019, 1:30 PM , <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:


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> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 13:29:12 +0100

> From: SOUAD ABIDI <fs_abidi at esi.dz>

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>  correction : the meeting was from 26 to 30 November 2018

>  excuse me

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> Best regards

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> Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 ? 13:22, SOUAD ABIDI <fs_abidi at esi.dz> a ?crit :

>

> > @Taiwo

> >

> > As an afriNIC29 fellow in Tunisia, I would like to make an input:

> >

> > We , as  fellows, have been given the policies doc(which is  a public doc

> > )  2 weeks before the meeting  in Tunisia : 28-30 Nov 2018 .

> >

> > Kindly find attached :

> >

> > --The screen short of the email (sent Nov 14th)

> > --The doc you asked for

> >

> > Talking as an afriNIC 29 fellow , but I believe it's the same process

> > adopted for all the meetings.

> >

> > Best regards.

> > Souad

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 ? 22:07, aleruchi chuku via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a

> > ?crit :

> >

> >> Hello Helen

> >> I think the issue Taiwo is emphasizing on is educating the New comers

> who

> >> are not fortunate to be "Afrinic Fellows".

> >>

> >> Aleruchi

> >>

> >> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android

> >> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>

> >>

> >> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 7:36 pm, hkariuki at isoc.or.ke

> >> <hkariuki at isoc.or.ke> wrote:

> >> Taiwo,

> >> I am a first time Afrinic 30 fellow and attended the last AIS meeting in

> >> Kampala and therefore by extension an Afrinic Alumni. I can confirm that

> >> we were given summary and links to the policies before the meeting. We

> >> also had a webinar before the meeting and materials emailed to us and

> >> onsite discussions and after we join the mailing lists to continue

> >> learning and contributing to policy discussions.

> >> Regards,

> >> Hellen

> >>

> >>

> >> On 2019-07-02 16:25, Taiwo Oyewande wrote:

> >> > Hi all,

> >> >

> >> > Taking a good look at this resource, it is obviously a summary of the

> >> > policies to be discussed.

> >> >

> >> > Larus fellowship tends towards promoting the youth - students

> >> > included-. I think this summary will be a good starting point for new

> >> > members who are fresh in the policy development process.

> >> >

> >> > On this note, i will like to encourage Afrinic to emulate the

> >> > foundation and come up with an official summary like this before every

> >> > meeting to enable new and interested members get up to speed quickly.

> >> >

> >> > Cheers.

> >> >

> >> > Taiwo O

> >> >

> >> >> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 20:36, Andrew Alston

> >> >> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:

> >> >>

> >> >>> Wafa,

> >> >>>

> >> >>> So ? let me say this.  I see a document here ? which lays out

> >> >>> the policies ? and provides a perspective of problems, it also

> >> >>> lists the pros and cons.  Yes, Lazarus may have used the

> >> >>> foundation to lobby for its position, but ? one of the things

> >> >>> that I have long accepted in my life is ? if you believe in

> >> >>> something ? you have to lobby for it ? and to be frank ? the

> >> >>> summary that I see in this document ? is something that by and

> >> >>> large ? should have been done long before they got around to it.

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>> If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am

> >> >>> entirely free to go and advocate for my position.  I am also

> >> >>> entirely free to sponsor people to come to a public meeting ?

> >> >>> and I am entirely free to choose those people as I so wish, if I

> >> >>> choose the people who agree with me, well, that?s life ? but

> >> >>> it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political nature of

> >> >>> internet policy development.  Do you think that similar does not

> >> >>> happen elsewhere?  People lobby for the positions that they care

> >> >>> about.  It happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we

> >> >>> want to cry when someone else does the same thing.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Let me also say ? it?s not like this hasn?t been happening

> >> >>> before ? and I want to quote from the OIF website: _IOF

> >> >>> ORGANISES POLITICAL ACTIVITIES AND ACTIONS OF MULTILATERAL

> >> >>> COOPERATION THAT BENEFIT FRENCH-SPEAKING POPULATIONS.___

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Yet ? this is an organization that for years has spent money

> >> >>> filling the room with people ? and that statement does not say

> >> >>> ? is of benefit to Africa ? it does not say is of benefit to

> >> >>> the African continent ? it does not say is to the benefit of the

> >> >>> continent ? it singles out a single demographic on the continent

> >> >>> and says ? we do what we do for their benefit.  Now, let me be

> >> >>> very clear, if they wish to do that ? I?m actually ok with it

> >> >>> ? though I admit I have waivered on this stance ? however, we

> >> >>> cannot say ? because it?s a government political organization

> >> >>> ? it?s ok ? but when a member chooses to have a foundation

> >> >>> ? and sponsor people to the meetings ? and then lobby for the

> >> >>> positions that member is passionate about ? suddenly its wrong.

> >> >>> That is called hypocrisy.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone ? with

> >> >>> slips of paper and read a comment on a policy ? and then go and

> >> >>> sit down ? and the same happened in Botswana.  Except, what I

> >> >>> found was, when queried on the position that was taken at the

> >> >>> microphone, the individual reading what they had off the paper,

> >> >>> had patently obviously never read the policy and didn?t

> >> >>> understand the position they were taking themselves.  So who was

> >> >>> behind that?  And all of that ? is on video for the world to see

> >> >>> ? but ? it was ok then ? suddenly it changes now because we

> >> >>> don?t like the individual doing it?

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Sorry ? this isn?t the way it works ? and let me be clear

> >> >>> ? Lu Heng is not a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I

> >> >>> had some pretty strong things to say to him to his face, in front

> >> >>> of others who will testify to what I said to him ? however ? I

> >> >>> respect his rights as a member to participate in what is

> >> >>> essentially a democratic process, that means ? I respect his

> >> >>> right to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots on

> >> >>> the ground, and I respect his right to have his say.  In the same

> >> >>> way ? I respect the right of any member to do that ? and I

> >> >>> respect the right of the members to then rebut what is said if

> >> >>> they do not agree with it.    It is through this lobbying position

> >> >>> and through the back and forth that accompanies it, that great

> >> >>> policy is born ? it is not through acquiescence, nor is it

> >> >>> through the silencing of the rights of others.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> My view ? if anyone wants to come into the room and have their

> >> >>> say ? so be it ? that is bottom up.  If people want to lobby

> >> >>> their positions ? so be it ? that is bottom up.  If people

> >> >>> want to spend money running tv adverts about their positions for

> >> >>> all I care ? so be it ? that is the nature of the democratic

> >> >>> position.  If people want to bus a thousand people who share their

> >> >>> views ? again ? so be it ? that is the democratic process.

> >> >>> However, it is the community who then need to rebut ? but ?

> >> >>> the rebuttal should be on the policy itself.  What I see here

> >> >>> however, is a rebuttal of policy and a lobbying position taken on

> >> >>> the *CONTENT* of the policy ? unlike what I have seen time and

> >> >>> again in the meetings where the lobbying position has NOTHING to

> >> >>> do with the content or the policy.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> So rather than malign Lazarus for their actions here ? quite

> >> >>> frankly, reading this document, and as much as as I have said, Lu

> >> >>> and I have some serious differences, I applaud Lazarus for the

> >> >>> comprehensive work ? and I applaud them for taking a stance that

> >> >>> was based on the policy and I embrace their right to lobby for

> >> >>> their position in any way shape or form.  That is not to say I

> >> >>> agree with the positions taken in this document ? I will reserve

> >> >>> my policy comments for the policies and based on my own

> >> >>> interpretation of such ? but ? I embrace the fact that at

> >> >>> least, it was done based on what was written, and not on personal

> >> >>> relationships, personal attacks, demographics, or anything else.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> So ? to Lazarus ? thank you for a job well done in the fact

> >> >>> that you lobbied your position based on the policies ? and left

> >> >>> the other garbage behind, which is what we so often see.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Finally ? again ? I respect the right to do what they did ?

> >> >>> and

> >> >>>

> >> >>> _THAT IS DEMOCRATIC_

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Thanks

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Andrew

> >> >>>

> >> >>> FROM: wafa DAHMANI <wafa at ati.tn>

> >> >>> SENT: Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:30

> >> >>> TO: community-discuss at afrinic.net

> >> >>> CC: rpd at afrinic.net

> >> >>> SUBJECT: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Hi

> >> >>>

> >> >>> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus

> >> >>> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in

> >> >>> Kampala, were given a  confidential  Education package on AFRINIC

> >> >>> Number Resources Policy proposals detailed in the following link:

> >> >>>

> >> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation

> >> >>> views of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG

> >> >>> participants interventions on the proposals.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> The education package so proposed intends to condition these

> >> >>> participants views on the proposals  and their contributions at

> >> >>> the PPM and after....

> >> >>>

> >> >>> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual

> >> >>> willing to participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to

> >> >>> know who is behind each source email address... only opinions

> >> >>> expressed in the context of the PDP matter. The substance of

> >> >>> contribution really matter. Diversity of views are encouraged.

> >> >>> Lack of disagreement is more important  than of agreement.  Also

> >> >>> PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear  on these aspects of  the rough

> >> >>> consensus  process.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Section 6

> >> >>>

> >> >>> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough

> >> >>> consensus.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Section 7

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be

> >> >>> rough consensus

> >> >>>

> >> >>> My African fellows,

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process

> >> >>> is legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting  was

> >> >>> useful to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand

> >> >>> what is going on and what Africa needs...  I hope you?ve made

> >> >>> your minds and  now able to speak on your personal  capacity..

> >> >>>

> >> >>> The real education package  is as below:

> >> >>>

> >> >>> =====

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Proposal to establish AFRINIC

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>

> >> >

> >>

> http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>> IANA report  on AFRINIC (Accreditation)

> >> >>>

> >> >>> https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf

> >> >>>

> >> >>> AFRINIC constitution

> >> >>>

> >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Registration Service  Agreement

> >> >>>

> >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa

> >> >>>

> >> >>> AFRINIC policy manual

> >> >>>

> >> >>> https://afrinic.net/policy/manual

> >> >>>

> >> >>> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM

> >> >>>

> >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre

> >> >>>

> >> >>> AFRINIC PDP

> >> >>>

> >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Rough Consensus

> >> >>>

> >> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282

> >> >>>

> >> >>> AFRINIC current policy proposals

> >> >>>

> >> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals

> >> >>>

> >> >>> RiRs PDPs

> >> >>>

> >> >>> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/

> >> >>>

> >> >>> RIR comparative  policy overview

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/

> >> >>>

> >> >>>

> >> >>> ==============

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> Come build African Internet by Africans.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation,

> >> >>> afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of

> >> >>> IPv4 is long established and discussed many times on this list. I

> >> >>> hope the fellows would find these discussions in the archives.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> I call the attention of the board on the  repetitive attempts of

> >> >>> this resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid

> >> >>> intentions...  the provisions of the bylaws and RSA must

> >> >>> carefully be applied to recall members to acceptable code of

> >> >>> conduct.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet

> >> >>> community must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy

> >> >>> development process and operations.

> >> >>>

> >> >>> -Wafa _______________________________________________

> >> >>> Community-Discuss mailing list

> >> >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net

> >> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

> >> >>

> >> >> --

> >> >>

> >> >> VIVIEN

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> >> >> p:+852 29888918

> >> >> f:+852 29888368

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> >> >> w:laruscloudservice.net/ [1]

> >> >> a:B5,11/F,TML Tower,No.3 Hoi Shing Road,Tsuen Wan,HKSAR

> >> >

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