<div dir="auto"><div dir="auto">Dear AFRInIC Staff, </div><div dir="auto">Can you please provide us the list of all the mentors used during the last Afrinic meeting?</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Thanks.</div><div dir="auto">Jehovahseun</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 4 Jul 2019, 1:30 PM , <<a href="mailto:rpd-request@afrinic.net">rpd-request@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Send RPD mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Re: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship (SOUAD ABIDI)<br>
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Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 13:29:12 +0100<br>
From: SOUAD ABIDI <<a href="mailto:fs_abidi@esi.dz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fs_abidi@esi.dz</a>><br>
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correction : the meeting was from 26 to 30 November 2018<br>
excuse me<br>
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Best regards<br>
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Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 ? 13:22, SOUAD ABIDI <<a href="mailto:fs_abidi@esi.dz" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">fs_abidi@esi.dz</a>> a ?crit :<br>
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> @Taiwo<br>
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> As an afriNIC29 fellow in Tunisia, I would like to make an input:<br>
><br>
> We , as fellows, have been given the policies doc(which is a public doc<br>
> ) 2 weeks before the meeting in Tunisia : 28-30 Nov 2018 .<br>
><br>
> Kindly find attached :<br>
><br>
> --The screen short of the email (sent Nov 14th)<br>
> --The doc you asked for<br>
><br>
> Talking as an afriNIC 29 fellow , but I believe it's the same process<br>
> adopted for all the meetings.<br>
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> Best regards.<br>
> Souad<br>
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> Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 ? 22:07, aleruchi chuku via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a<br>
> ?crit :<br>
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>> Hello Helen<br>
>> I think the issue Taiwo is emphasizing on is educating the New comers who<br>
>> are not fortunate to be "Afrinic Fellows".<br>
>><br>
>> Aleruchi<br>
>><br>
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>><br>
>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 7:36 pm, <a href="mailto:hkariuki@isoc.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hkariuki@isoc.or.ke</a><br>
>> <<a href="mailto:hkariuki@isoc.or.ke" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">hkariuki@isoc.or.ke</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Taiwo,<br>
>> I am a first time Afrinic 30 fellow and attended the last AIS meeting in<br>
>> Kampala and therefore by extension an Afrinic Alumni. I can confirm that<br>
>> we were given summary and links to the policies before the meeting. We<br>
>> also had a webinar before the meeting and materials emailed to us and<br>
>> onsite discussions and after we join the mailing lists to continue<br>
>> learning and contributing to policy discussions.<br>
>> Regards,<br>
>> Hellen<br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> On 2019-07-02 16:25, Taiwo Oyewande wrote:<br>
>> > Hi all,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Taking a good look at this resource, it is obviously a summary of the<br>
>> > policies to be discussed.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Larus fellowship tends towards promoting the youth - students<br>
>> > included-. I think this summary will be a good starting point for new<br>
>> > members who are fresh in the policy development process.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > On this note, i will like to encourage Afrinic to emulate the<br>
>> > foundation and come up with an official summary like this before every<br>
>> > meeting to enable new and interested members get up to speed quickly.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Cheers.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Taiwo O<br>
>> ><br>
>> >> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 20:36, Andrew Alston<br>
>> >> <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>> >><br>
>> >>> Wafa,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> So ? let me say this. I see a document here ? which lays out<br>
>> >>> the policies ? and provides a perspective of problems, it also<br>
>> >>> lists the pros and cons. Yes, Lazarus may have used the<br>
>> >>> foundation to lobby for its position, but ? one of the things<br>
>> >>> that I have long accepted in my life is ? if you believe in<br>
>> >>> something ? you have to lobby for it ? and to be frank ? the<br>
>> >>> summary that I see in this document ? is something that by and<br>
>> >>> large ? should have been done long before they got around to it.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am<br>
>> >>> entirely free to go and advocate for my position. I am also<br>
>> >>> entirely free to sponsor people to come to a public meeting ?<br>
>> >>> and I am entirely free to choose those people as I so wish, if I<br>
>> >>> choose the people who agree with me, well, that?s life ? but<br>
>> >>> it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political nature of<br>
>> >>> internet policy development. Do you think that similar does not<br>
>> >>> happen elsewhere? People lobby for the positions that they care<br>
>> >>> about. It happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we<br>
>> >>> want to cry when someone else does the same thing.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Let me also say ? it?s not like this hasn?t been happening<br>
>> >>> before ? and I want to quote from the OIF website: _IOF<br>
>> >>> ORGANISES POLITICAL ACTIVITIES AND ACTIONS OF MULTILATERAL<br>
>> >>> COOPERATION THAT BENEFIT FRENCH-SPEAKING POPULATIONS.___<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Yet ? this is an organization that for years has spent money<br>
>> >>> filling the room with people ? and that statement does not say<br>
>> >>> ? is of benefit to Africa ? it does not say is of benefit to<br>
>> >>> the African continent ? it does not say is to the benefit of the<br>
>> >>> continent ? it singles out a single demographic on the continent<br>
>> >>> and says ? we do what we do for their benefit. Now, let me be<br>
>> >>> very clear, if they wish to do that ? I?m actually ok with it<br>
>> >>> ? though I admit I have waivered on this stance ? however, we<br>
>> >>> cannot say ? because it?s a government political organization<br>
>> >>> ? it?s ok ? but when a member chooses to have a foundation<br>
>> >>> ? and sponsor people to the meetings ? and then lobby for the<br>
>> >>> positions that member is passionate about ? suddenly its wrong.<br>
>> >>> That is called hypocrisy.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone ? with<br>
>> >>> slips of paper and read a comment on a policy ? and then go and<br>
>> >>> sit down ? and the same happened in Botswana. Except, what I<br>
>> >>> found was, when queried on the position that was taken at the<br>
>> >>> microphone, the individual reading what they had off the paper,<br>
>> >>> had patently obviously never read the policy and didn?t<br>
>> >>> understand the position they were taking themselves. So who was<br>
>> >>> behind that? And all of that ? is on video for the world to see<br>
>> >>> ? but ? it was ok then ? suddenly it changes now because we<br>
>> >>> don?t like the individual doing it?<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Sorry ? this isn?t the way it works ? and let me be clear<br>
>> >>> ? Lu Heng is not a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I<br>
>> >>> had some pretty strong things to say to him to his face, in front<br>
>> >>> of others who will testify to what I said to him ? however ? I<br>
>> >>> respect his rights as a member to participate in what is<br>
>> >>> essentially a democratic process, that means ? I respect his<br>
>> >>> right to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots on<br>
>> >>> the ground, and I respect his right to have his say. In the same<br>
>> >>> way ? I respect the right of any member to do that ? and I<br>
>> >>> respect the right of the members to then rebut what is said if<br>
>> >>> they do not agree with it. It is through this lobbying position<br>
>> >>> and through the back and forth that accompanies it, that great<br>
>> >>> policy is born ? it is not through acquiescence, nor is it<br>
>> >>> through the silencing of the rights of others.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> My view ? if anyone wants to come into the room and have their<br>
>> >>> say ? so be it ? that is bottom up. If people want to lobby<br>
>> >>> their positions ? so be it ? that is bottom up. If people<br>
>> >>> want to spend money running tv adverts about their positions for<br>
>> >>> all I care ? so be it ? that is the nature of the democratic<br>
>> >>> position. If people want to bus a thousand people who share their<br>
>> >>> views ? again ? so be it ? that is the democratic process.<br>
>> >>> However, it is the community who then need to rebut ? but ?<br>
>> >>> the rebuttal should be on the policy itself. What I see here<br>
>> >>> however, is a rebuttal of policy and a lobbying position taken on<br>
>> >>> the *CONTENT* of the policy ? unlike what I have seen time and<br>
>> >>> again in the meetings where the lobbying position has NOTHING to<br>
>> >>> do with the content or the policy.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> So rather than malign Lazarus for their actions here ? quite<br>
>> >>> frankly, reading this document, and as much as as I have said, Lu<br>
>> >>> and I have some serious differences, I applaud Lazarus for the<br>
>> >>> comprehensive work ? and I applaud them for taking a stance that<br>
>> >>> was based on the policy and I embrace their right to lobby for<br>
>> >>> their position in any way shape or form. That is not to say I<br>
>> >>> agree with the positions taken in this document ? I will reserve<br>
>> >>> my policy comments for the policies and based on my own<br>
>> >>> interpretation of such ? but ? I embrace the fact that at<br>
>> >>> least, it was done based on what was written, and not on personal<br>
>> >>> relationships, personal attacks, demographics, or anything else.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> So ? to Lazarus ? thank you for a job well done in the fact<br>
>> >>> that you lobbied your position based on the policies ? and left<br>
>> >>> the other garbage behind, which is what we so often see.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Finally ? again ? I respect the right to do what they did ?<br>
>> >>> and<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> _THAT IS DEMOCRATIC_<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Thanks<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Andrew<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> FROM: wafa DAHMANI <<a href="mailto:wafa@ati.tn" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">wafa@ati.tn</a>><br>
>> >>> SENT: Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:30<br>
>> >>> TO: <a href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> >>> CC: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> >>> SUBJECT: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Hi<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus<br>
>> >>> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in<br>
>> >>> Kampala, were given a confidential Education package on AFRINIC<br>
>> >>> Number Resources Policy proposals detailed in the following link:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation<br>
>> >>> views of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG<br>
>> >>> participants interventions on the proposals.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> The education package so proposed intends to condition these<br>
>> >>> participants views on the proposals and their contributions at<br>
>> >>> the PPM and after....<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual<br>
>> >>> willing to participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to<br>
>> >>> know who is behind each source email address... only opinions<br>
>> >>> expressed in the context of the PDP matter. The substance of<br>
>> >>> contribution really matter. Diversity of views are encouraged.<br>
>> >>> Lack of disagreement is more important than of agreement. Also<br>
>> >>> PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear on these aspects of the rough<br>
>> >>> consensus process.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Section 6<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough<br>
>> >>> consensus.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Section 7<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be<br>
>> >>> rough consensus<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> My African fellows,<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process<br>
>> >>> is legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting was<br>
>> >>> useful to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand<br>
>> >>> what is going on and what Africa needs... I hope you?ve made<br>
>> >>> your minds and now able to speak on your personal capacity..<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> The real education package is as below:<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> =====<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Proposal to establish AFRINIC<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> <a href="http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> IANA report on AFRINIC (Accreditation)<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> AFRINIC constitution<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Registration Service Agreement<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> AFRINIC policy manual<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> AFRINIC PDP<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Rough Consensus<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> AFRINIC current policy proposals<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> RiRs PDPs<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> <a href="https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> RIR comparative policy overview<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >> <a href="https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/" rel="noreferrer noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/</a><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> ==============<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> Come build African Internet by Africans.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation,<br>
>> >>> afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of<br>
>> >>> IPv4 is long established and discussed many times on this list. I<br>
>> >>> hope the fellows would find these discussions in the archives.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> I call the attention of the board on the repetitive attempts of<br>
>> >>> this resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid<br>
>> >>> intentions... the provisions of the bylaws and RSA must<br>
>> >>> carefully be applied to recall members to acceptable code of<br>
>> >>> conduct.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet<br>
>> >>> community must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy<br>
>> >>> development process and operations.<br>
>> >>><br>
>> >>> -Wafa _______________________________________________<br>
>> >>> Community-Discuss mailing list<br>
>> >>> <a href="mailto:Community-Discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank" rel="noreferrer">Community-Discuss@afrinic.net</a><br>
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>> >><br>
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