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Emem William
dwizard65 at gmail.com
Thu Jul 4 05:21:33 UTC 2019
Thanks @Jordi
I strongly believe Larus Fellowship have taken note of that.
Best regards,
William, EMEM (Snr)
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> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 23:24:38 +0200
> From: Daniel Shaw <daniel at techdad.xyz>
> To: rpd at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Legacy holders?
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> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 14:19, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> >
>
> > Actually a quick cli check will also show legacy but you have to know
> the block
> >
> > noah$ whois -h whois.afrinic.net <block> | grep LEGACY
> > status: LEGACY
> >
>
> Actually not. There is no "LEGACY" status in the AFRINIC database.
>
> >From 'whois -h whois.afrinic.net -v inetnum' ..
>
> status
>
> Specifies the status of the address range represented by inetnum
> object.
>
> Status can have one of these values:
>
> o ALLOCATED PA
> This status is given to resources issued by AFRINIC to Resource
> members - LIRs and are to be used on the LIR's infrastructure and
> customers(End-Users)
> o ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED
> This status is used by AFRINIC in placeholder records
> o SUB-ALLOCATED PA
> This status is given to IP address prefixes that have been
> sub-allocated
> by a LIR to its customer which is also an ISP and will be further
> distributed to the ISP's customers
> o ASSIGNED PA
> This status is given to IP addresses registered as being
> assigned by an
> LIR to its infrastructure and customers
> o ASSIGNED PI
> This status is given to resources issued by AFRINIC to its
> Resource
> members - End-Users to be used on their own infrastructure
> o ASSIGNED ANYCAST
> This status is given to resources that get issued under the
> Assigned
> Anycast policy
> o POLICY-RESERVED
> This status is given to resources that AFRINIC has to
> reserve to comply
> with policies that have been ratified
>
>
> **RIPE**'s database is different:
>
> (whois -h whois.ripe.net -v inetnum)
>
> status
>
> Specifies the status of the resource.
>
> Status can have one of these values:
>
> o ALLOCATED PA
> o ALLOCATED PI
> o ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED
> o LIR-PARTITIONED PA
> o LIR-PARTITIONED PI
> o SUB-ALLOCATED PA
> o ASSIGNED PA
> o ASSIGNED PI
> o ASSIGNED ANYCAST
> o EARLY-REGISTRATION
> o NOT-SET
> o LEGACY
>
>
> And APNIC is again, different:
>
> status
>
> The status of the address range represented by the inetnum
> object.
>
> Syntax:
>
> Status can have one of these values:
>
> - ALLOCATED PORTABLE
> - ALLOCATED NON-PORTABLE
> - ASSIGNED PORTABLE
> - ASSIGNED NON-PORTABLE
>
> ARIN and LACNIC whois do not support the '-v' switch on port 43.
>
> Also:
>
> $ grep -E '^status:' afrinic.db |sort |uniq -c
> 2302 status: ALLOCATED PA
> 155 status: ALLOCATED UNSPECIFIED
> 636 status: ALLOCATED-BY-RIR
> 1735 status: ASSIGNED
> 11 status: ASSIGNED ANYCAST
> 152315 status: ASSIGNED PA
> 1558 status: ASSIGNED PI
> 206 status: Assigned PA
> 24 status: POLICY-RESERVED
> 350 status: SUB-ALLOCATED PA
>
>
> -- Daniel
>
>
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> Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2019 00:26:53 +0300
> From: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
> To: Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com>
> Cc: AfriNIC List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Legacy holders?
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> Hi Mike
>
> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 11:26 PM Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Noah
> >
> > On Wed, 03 Jul 2019 at 22:06, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>
> >> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:21 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Do they enforce this requirement in countries where no such license is
> >>> required?
> >>>
> >>
> >> I dont know of any country with no telecommunications regulatory
> >> authority in Africa but from my personal experience, I have found it
> rather
> >> great that AfriNIC members services asks for such licenses since they
> are
> >> mandated with the management of Internet Number Resources in Africa.
> >>
> >
> > That was not the question asked.
> >
>
> I perfectly understood Owens question and my response was in line with the
> application for INR from AfriNIC and the requirements required for that
> from my own personal experience.
>
>
> > Your own employer operates (or had operated) perfectly lawfully in a
> > number of countries without a licence.
> >
>
> Dont be confused Mike, a member can lodge the application for INR in one
> country and still use them in other countries within AFRICA. We are talking
> about the application process for INR and the country in which folks apply
> from and what I was saying is that so often, member services will request
> for a license from the regulator.
>
> You are instead confusing with network operations.
>
>
> > I am guessing they aren?t planning on handing back resources (or being
> > denied resources) because they don?t have a licence in every territory in
> > which their resources are used?
> >
>
> Again dont be confused, application for INR in one country to use them for
> numbering networks in that country and other countries within AFRICA in
> encouraged by AfriNIC, after all this is the mandate of AFRINIC, to
> allocate/assign INR resources for use within AFRICA to promote the
> development of the African Internet we we are doing.
>
>
>
> > Why is it any different for other members?
> >
>
> You are not following this discourse well and perhaps I have clarified
> above and I was referring for specifically to ISP and not all other non-ISP
> members and this was from personal experience by the way just so we are
> clear.
>
> Noah
>
>
> >
> > Mike
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> Date: Thu, 04 Jul 2019 00:27:21 +0200
> From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
> To: <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship
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> Hi Emem,
>
>
>
> Just to make it clear once more.
>
>
>
> I?m very happy and we all should be, if we get Larus and many other
> organizations willing to sponsor people to participate.
>
>
>
> However, in an open and transparent way. They don?t need to be ?directly?
> in touch with all the fellows, so they can agree with Afrinic on the
> selections process, Afrinic do that for them and all them (even from
> different sponsors), get together under the very open and transparent
> rules, not with private meetings with the sponsors.
>
>
>
> I?m sure we all can agree that this will be a fairer way, and the sponsors
> will be recognized the same way by the community, even much better, because
> nobody can then even be suspicious about any bad intentions from the
> sponsors.
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
> @jordipalet
>
>
>
>
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>
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> El 3/7/19 23:25, "Emem William" <dwizard65 at gmail.com> escribi?:
>
>
>
> Dear all,
>
>
>
> I am totally amazed at some people's way of reasoning when tackling
> critical issues.
>
>
>
> Larus foundation sponsored more persons to attend AIS '19, Kampala. She
> did not bring Chinese people to the meeting instead she sponsored fellow
> Africans to attend. She did not just stop at that she went out of her way
> to help intimate the first timers on what policy discussions is all about
> and the possible proposals that might be discussed (as contained in the
> said documents) so as to enhance effective participation.
>
>
>
> Instead of being appreciative, some Africans are still coming out to
> fabricate baseless accusations against the same foundation. It is high time
> we started pondering on whatsoever we want to say before voicing it out to
> avoid making unfounded statements with confidence which might actually
> render our intelligent quotients questionable
>
>
>
> Is it true that AFRINIC seeks to encourage people's participation in
> policy discussions meetings??
>
>
>
> If yes, does it mean AFRINIC wishes that new particpants turn up to get
> embarrassed by old members who have been around for sometimes and have more
> experience??
>
> If no, I suggest AFRINIC should devise how to familiarize first timers
> with the nitty-gritty of policy discussions prior to the commencement of
> next meeting.
>
>
>
> Above all, LARUS FOUNDATION deserve accolade for sponsoring a good number
> of AFRICAN persons to Kampala to participate in the last meeting.
>
>
>
> Thanks!
>
>
>
> Warm regards,
>
> WILLIAM EMEM E. (Snr)
>
>
>
>
>
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> From: Noah <noah at neo.co.tz>
> To: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
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> Subject: Re: [rpd] Legacy holders?
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> On Wed, Jul 3, 2019 at 6:21 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
> > Do they enforce this requirement in countries where no such license is
> > required?
> >
>
> I dont know of any country with no telecommunications regulatory authority
> in Africa but from my personal experience, I have found it rather great
> that AfriNIC members services asks for such licenses since they are
> mandated with the management of Internet Number Resources in Africa.
>
>
> > Do they track the licensing requirements of each of the nations in the
> > service region?
> >
> >
> I dont have an answer to this question but perhaps if necessary they would.
>
>
> > That sounds like a lot of overhead to me.
> >
>
> Not really....
>
>
> > Owen
> >
> >
> > On Jul 2, 2019, at 05:04 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > We all know what clause 6.1 says but I can assure you that Madhvi's team
> > wont play until you prove that you have a license from the local
> regulator
> > if you intend to build an Internet Infrastructure (ISP) on continent and
> > need resources for the case of an LIR.
> >
> > This additional scrutiny don't have to be spelled out on the Bylaws but
> > they are prudent for staff to ensure they don't allocate/assign space to
> a
> > briefcase LIR.
> >
> > Noah
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 2 Jul 2019, 09:43 Andrew Alston, <
> Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Heh ? again ? there is no requirement to hold a license ? anywhere.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Again ? clause 6.1 does not demand a license ? it demands the member of
> >> AfriNIC is providing services on the continent ? it doesn?t say what
> >> services ? it doesn?t say that it has to be providing those services in
> the
> >> country of domicile ? it doesn?t say the services provided have to be
> >> related to the resources AfriNIC grants it ? it doesn?t say that you
> can?t
> >> use the resources from AfriNIC off continent and use a /32 in Africa for
> >> that matter.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Heh ? there are MANY reasons for a company to be domiciled in one
> country
> >> and conducting business in another ? so ? I find this information a
> little
> >> spurious
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com>
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, 2 July 2019 00:21
> >> *To:* AfriNIC List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> >> *Subject:* Re: [rpd] Legacy holders?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> In message <
> >> CAEqgTWYs+9b2c4pP6cBAkQAOFXoi+rfOTqohzUz39LaQ13DZmg at mail.gmail.com>
> >> Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
> >>
> >> >LIR membership 101 requires that one has a business license and another
> >> >license from a local communications regulatory authority of the country
> >> >where they are requesting space from. Member services team from AfriNIC
> >> >always require this before space is allocated/assigned to an entity.
> >>
> >> That's really very interesting. I didn't know any of this before now.
> >> (I am learning more and more, every day, by paying attention to the
> >> postings
> >> on this list!)
> >>
> >> Based on what you just said, I took it upon myself to try to find the
> >> web sites for the local communications regulatory authority of a couple
> >> of the specific national jurisdictions that Afrinic serves, and that are
> >> of special interest to me, i.e. Seychelles and Mauritius.
> >>
> >> I think that I found both, but it appears that of the two, only the one
> >> for Mauritius has an actual published online list of "License Holders":
> >>
> >> https://www.icta.mu/com_licences.html
> >>
> >> I also took it upon myself to try to see to what degree the list of
> >> "Mauritius" members of Afrinic corresponded with the list of Mauritius
> >> communications authority license holders.
> >>
> >> Of the thirty one (31) "Mauritius" members of Afrinic listed here:
> >>
> >> https://afrinic.net/membership/list
> >>
> >> Twelve (12) of them are listed as Mauritius communications authority
> >> license holders. The remaining ninteen (19) are not so listed. These
> >> are as follows:
> >>
> >> Leal Communication and informatics ltd
> >> Mauritius Computing Services Ltd
> >> Millenium Outsourcing Ltd
> >> MXIT Lifestyle International Ltd
> >> Mauritius Freeport Development Company Ltd
> >> Liquid Telecommunications Operations Limited
> >> SEACOM Limited
> >> West Indian Ocean Cable Company
> >> Pamoja Africa
> >> La Sentinelle Ltd
> >> MC VISION LTD
> >> Internet Direct Ltd
> >> Ireland Blyth Informatics LTD
> >> University of Mauritius
> >> Forcepoint Mauritius
> >> Mauritius Internet Exchange Point
> >> Woodynet Ltd
> >> African Network Operators' Group (AFNOG)
> >> African Network Information Center - ( AfriNIC Ltd. )
> >>
> >> I would guess that it is quite entirely reasonable that those last two
> are
> >> not registered at communications companies within Mauritius, because I
> >> doubt that either one is actually providing commercial communications
> >> services of any kind within Mauritius. The rest I'm not so sure about.
> >>
> >> At present, I know of no way in which any "outsider" could determine
> >> which, if any, of the twenty four (24) "Seychelles" members of Afrinic
> >> are or are not licensed communications providers within that country.
> >>
> >> I'm not trying to make any particular point here. I just wanted to share
> >> this info with everyone, in case folks other than me might also find it
> >> interesting.
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> rfg
> >>
> >>
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> Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2019 21:05:18 +0100
> From: Taiwo Oyewande <taiwo.oyewande88 at gmail.com>
> To: hkariuki at isoc.or.ke
> Cc: community-discuss at afrinic.net, rpd at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [rpd] [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship
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> > On 3 Jul 2019, at 19:35, hkariuki at isoc.or.ke wrote:
> >
> > Taiwo,
> > I am a first time Afrinic 30 fellow and attended the last AIS meeting in
> Kampala and therefore by extension an Afrinic Alumni. I can confirm that we
> were given summary and links to the policies before the meeting. We also
> had a webinar before the meeting and materials emailed to us and onsite
> discussions and after we join the mailing lists to continue learning and
> contributing to policy discussions.
> > Regards,
> > Hellen
> >
> >
> >> On 2019-07-02 16:25, Taiwo Oyewande wrote:
> >> Hi all,
> >> Taking a good look at this resource, it is obviously a summary of the
> >> policies to be discussed.
> >> Larus fellowship tends towards promoting the youth - students
> >> included-. I think this summary will be a good starting point for new
> >> members who are fresh in the policy development process.
> >> On this note, i will like to encourage Afrinic to emulate the
> >> foundation and come up with an official summary like this before every
> >> meeting to enable new and interested members get up to speed quickly.
> >> Cheers.
> >> Taiwo O
> >>> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 20:36, Andrew Alston
> >>> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> >>>> Wafa,
> >>>> So ? let me say this. I see a document here ? which lays out
> >>>> the policies ? and provides a perspective of problems, it also
> >>>> lists the pros and cons. Yes, Lazarus may have used the
> >>>> foundation to lobby for its position, but ? one of the things
> >>>> that I have long accepted in my life is ? if you believe in
> >>>> something ? you have to lobby for it ? and to be frank ? the
> >>>> summary that I see in this document ? is something that by and
> >>>> large ? should have been done long before they got around to it.
> >>>> If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am
> >>>> entirely free to go and advocate for my position. I am also
> >>>> entirely free to sponsor people to come to a public meeting ?
> >>>> and I am entirely free to choose those people as I so wish, if I
> >>>> choose the people who agree with me, well, that?s life ? but
> >>>> it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political nature of
> >>>> internet policy development. Do you think that similar does not
> >>>> happen elsewhere? People lobby for the positions that they care
> >>>> about. It happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we
> >>>> want to cry when someone else does the same thing.
> >>>> Let me also say ? it?s not like this hasn?t been happening
> >>>> before ? and I want to quote from the OIF website: _IOF
> >>>> ORGANISES POLITICAL ACTIVITIES AND ACTIONS OF MULTILATERAL
> >>>> COOPERATION THAT BENEFIT FRENCH-SPEAKING POPULATIONS.___
> >>>> Yet ? this is an organization that for years has spent money
> >>>> filling the room with people ? and that statement does not say
> >>>> ? is of benefit to Africa ? it does not say is of benefit to
> >>>> the African continent ? it does not say is to the benefit of the
> >>>> continent ? it singles out a single demographic on the continent
> >>>> and says ? we do what we do for their benefit. Now, let me be
> >>>> very clear, if they wish to do that ? I?m actually ok with it
> >>>> ? though I admit I have waivered on this stance ? however, we
> >>>> cannot say ? because it?s a government political organization
> >>>> ? it?s ok ? but when a member chooses to have a foundation
> >>>> ? and sponsor people to the meetings ? and then lobby for the
> >>>> positions that member is passionate about ? suddenly its wrong.
> >>>> That is called hypocrisy.
> >>>> In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone ? with
> >>>> slips of paper and read a comment on a policy ? and then go and
> >>>> sit down ? and the same happened in Botswana. Except, what I
> >>>> found was, when queried on the position that was taken at the
> >>>> microphone, the individual reading what they had off the paper,
> >>>> had patently obviously never read the policy and didn?t
> >>>> understand the position they were taking themselves. So who was
> >>>> behind that? And all of that ? is on video for the world to see
> >>>> ? but ? it was ok then ? suddenly it changes now because we
> >>>> don?t like the individual doing it?
> >>>> Sorry ? this isn?t the way it works ? and let me be clear
> >>>> ? Lu Heng is not a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I
> >>>> had some pretty strong things to say to him to his face, in front
> >>>> of others who will testify to what I said to him ? however ? I
> >>>> respect his rights as a member to participate in what is
> >>>> essentially a democratic process, that means ? I respect his
> >>>> right to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots on
> >>>> the ground, and I respect his right to have his say. In the same
> >>>> way ? I respect the right of any member to do that ? and I
> >>>> respect the right of the members to then rebut what is said if
> >>>> they do not agree with it. It is through this lobbying position
> >>>> and through the back and forth that accompanies it, that great
> >>>> policy is born ? it is not through acquiescence, nor is it
> >>>> through the silencing of the rights of others.
> >>>> My view ? if anyone wants to come into the room and have their
> >>>> say ? so be it ? that is bottom up. If people want to lobby
> >>>> their positions ? so be it ? that is bottom up. If people
> >>>> want to spend money running tv adverts about their positions for
> >>>> all I care ? so be it ? that is the nature of the democratic
> >>>> position. If people want to bus a thousand people who share their
> >>>> views ? again ? so be it ? that is the democratic process.
> >>>> However, it is the community who then need to rebut ? but ?
> >>>> the rebuttal should be on the policy itself. What I see here
> >>>> however, is a rebuttal of policy and a lobbying position taken on
> >>>> the *CONTENT* of the policy ? unlike what I have seen time and
> >>>> again in the meetings where the lobbying position has NOTHING to
> >>>> do with the content or the policy.
> >>>> So rather than malign Lazarus for their actions here ? quite
> >>>> frankly, reading this document, and as much as as I have said, Lu
> >>>> and I have some serious differences, I applaud Lazarus for the
> >>>> comprehensive work ? and I applaud them for taking a stance that
> >>>> was based on the policy and I embrace their right to lobby for
> >>>> their position in any way shape or form. That is not to say I
> >>>> agree with the positions taken in this document ? I will reserve
> >>>> my policy comments for the policies and based on my own
> >>>> interpretation of such ? but ? I embrace the fact that at
> >>>> least, it was done based on what was written, and not on personal
> >>>> relationships, personal attacks, demographics, or anything else.
> >>>> So ? to Lazarus ? thank you for a job well done in the fact
> >>>> that you lobbied your position based on the policies ? and left
> >>>> the other garbage behind, which is what we so often see.
> >>>> Finally ? again ? I respect the right to do what they did ?
> >>>> and
> >>>> _THAT IS DEMOCRATIC_
> >>>> Thanks
> >>>> Andrew
> >>>> FROM: wafa DAHMANI <wafa at ati.tn>
> >>>> SENT: Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:30
> >>>> TO: community-discuss at afrinic.net
> >>>> CC: rpd at afrinic.net
> >>>> SUBJECT: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship
> >>>> Hi
> >>>> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus
> >>>> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in
> >>>> Kampala, were given a confidential Education package on AFRINIC
> >>>> Number Resources Policy proposals detailed in the following link:
> >>>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg
> >>>> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation
> >>>> views of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG
> >>>> participants interventions on the proposals.
> >>>> The education package so proposed intends to condition these
> >>>> participants views on the proposals and their contributions at
> >>>> the PPM and after....
> >>>> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual
> >>>> willing to participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to
> >>>> know who is behind each source email address... only opinions
> >>>> expressed in the context of the PDP matter. The substance of
> >>>> contribution really matter. Diversity of views are encouraged.
> >>>> Lack of disagreement is more important than of agreement. Also
> >>>> PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence.
> >>>> RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear on these aspects of the rough
> >>>> consensus process.
> >>>> Section 6
> >>>> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough
> >>>> consensus.
> >>>> Section 7
> >>>> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be
> >>>> rough consensus
> >>>> My African fellows,
> >>>> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process
> >>>> is legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting was
> >>>> useful to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand
> >>>> what is going on and what Africa needs... I hope you?ve made
> >>>> your minds and now able to speak on your personal capacity..
> >>>> The real education package is as below:
> >>>> =====
> >>>> Proposal to establish AFRINIC
> >>
> http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997
> >>>> IANA report on AFRINIC (Accreditation)
> >>>> https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf
> >>>> AFRINIC constitution
> >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws
> >>>> Registration Service Agreement
> >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa
> >>>> AFRINIC policy manual
> >>>> https://afrinic.net/policy/manual
> >>>> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM
> >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre
> >>>> AFRINIC PDP
> >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy
> >>>> Rough Consensus
> >>>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282
> >>>> AFRINIC current policy proposals
> >>>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals
> >>>> RiRs PDPs
> >>>> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/
> >>>> RIR comparative policy overview
> >>> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/
> >>>> ==============
> >>>> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.
> >>>> Come build African Internet by Africans.
> >>>> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation,
> >>>> afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of
> >>>> IPv4 is long established and discussed many times on this list. I
> >>>> hope the fellows would find these discussions in the archives.
> >>>> I call the attention of the board on the repetitive attempts of
> >>>> this resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid
> >>>> intentions... the provisions of the bylaws and RSA must
> >>>> carefully be applied to recall members to acceptable code of
> >>>> conduct.
> >>>> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet
> >>>> community must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy
> >>>> development process and operations.
> >>>> -Wafa _______________________________________________
> >>>> Community-Discuss mailing list
> >>>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net
> >>>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss
> >>> --
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> >>> p:+852 29888918
> >>> f:+852 29888368
> >>> e:a.v.p at laruscloudservice.net
> >>> w:laruscloudservice.net/ [1]
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