[rpd] [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

[SOUAD ABIDI]

@Taiwo

As an afriNIC29 fellow in Tunisia, I would like to make an input:

We , as  fellows, have been given the policies doc(which is  a public doc
)  2 weeks before the meeting  in Tunisia : 28-30 Nov 2018 .

Kindly find attached :

--The screen short of the email (sent Nov 14th)
--The doc you asked for

Talking as an afriNIC 29 fellow , but I believe it's the same process
adopted for all the meetings.

Best regards.
Souad





Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 à 22:07, aleruchi chuku via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a
écrit :


> Hello Helen

> I think the issue Taiwo is emphasizing on is educating the New comers who

> are not fortunate to be "Afrinic Fellows".

>

> Aleruchi

>

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>

> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 7:36 pm, hkariuki at isoc.or.ke

> <hkariuki at isoc.or.ke> wrote:

> Taiwo,

> I am a first time Afrinic 30 fellow and attended the last AIS meeting in

> Kampala and therefore by extension an Afrinic Alumni. I can confirm that

> we were given summary and links to the policies before the meeting. We

> also had a webinar before the meeting and materials emailed to us and

> onsite discussions and after we join the mailing lists to continue

> learning and contributing to policy discussions.

> Regards,

> Hellen

>

>

> On 2019-07-02 16:25, Taiwo Oyewande wrote:

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Taking a good look at this resource, it is obviously a summary of the

> > policies to be discussed.

> >

> > Larus fellowship tends towards promoting the youth - students

> > included-. I think this summary will be a good starting point for new

> > members who are fresh in the policy development process.

> >

> > On this note, i will like to encourage Afrinic to emulate the

> > foundation and come up with an official summary like this before every

> > meeting to enable new and interested members get up to speed quickly.

> >

> > Cheers.

> >

> > Taiwo O

> >

> >> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 20:36, Andrew Alston

> >> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:

> >>

> >>> Wafa,

> >>>

> >>> So – let me say this.  I see a document here – which lays out

> >>> the policies – and provides a perspective of problems, it also

> >>> lists the pros and cons.  Yes, Lazarus may have used the

> >>> foundation to lobby for its position, but – one of the things

> >>> that I have long accepted in my life is – if you believe in

> >>> something – you have to lobby for it – and to be frank – the

> >>> summary that I see in this document – is something that by and

> >>> large – should have been done long before they got around to it.

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am

> >>> entirely free to go and advocate for my position.  I am also

> >>> entirely free to sponsor people to come to a public meeting –

> >>> and I am entirely free to choose those people as I so wish, if I

> >>> choose the people who agree with me, well, that’s life – but

> >>> it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political nature of

> >>> internet policy development.  Do you think that similar does not

> >>> happen elsewhere?  People lobby for the positions that they care

> >>> about.  It happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we

> >>> want to cry when someone else does the same thing.

> >>>

> >>> Let me also say – it’s not like this hasn’t been happening

> >>> before – and I want to quote from the OIF website: _IOF

> >>> ORGANISES POLITICAL ACTIVITIES AND ACTIONS OF MULTILATERAL

> >>> COOPERATION THAT BENEFIT FRENCH-SPEAKING POPULATIONS.___

> >>>

> >>> Yet – this is an organization that for years has spent money

> >>> filling the room with people – and that statement does not say

> >>> – is of benefit to Africa – it does not say is of benefit to

> >>> the African continent – it does not say is to the benefit of the

> >>> continent – it singles out a single demographic on the continent

> >>> and says – we do what we do for their benefit.  Now, let me be

> >>> very clear, if they wish to do that – I’m actually ok with it

> >>> – though I admit I have waivered on this stance – however, we

> >>> cannot say – because it’s a government political organization

> >>> – it’s ok – but when a member chooses to have a foundation

> >>> – and sponsor people to the meetings – and then lobby for the

> >>> positions that member is passionate about – suddenly its wrong.

> >>> That is called hypocrisy.

> >>>

> >>> In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone – with

> >>> slips of paper and read a comment on a policy – and then go and

> >>> sit down – and the same happened in Botswana.  Except, what I

> >>> found was, when queried on the position that was taken at the

> >>> microphone, the individual reading what they had off the paper,

> >>> had patently obviously never read the policy and didn’t

> >>> understand the position they were taking themselves.  So who was

> >>> behind that?  And all of that – is on video for the world to see

> >>> – but – it was ok then – suddenly it changes now because we

> >>> don’t like the individual doing it?

> >>>

> >>> Sorry – this isn’t the way it works – and let me be clear

> >>> – Lu Heng is not a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I

> >>> had some pretty strong things to say to him to his face, in front

> >>> of others who will testify to what I said to him – however – I

> >>> respect his rights as a member to participate in what is

> >>> essentially a democratic process, that means – I respect his

> >>> right to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots on

> >>> the ground, and I respect his right to have his say.  In the same

> >>> way – I respect the right of any member to do that – and I

> >>> respect the right of the members to then rebut what is said if

> >>> they do not agree with it.    It is through this lobbying position

> >>> and through the back and forth that accompanies it, that great

> >>> policy is born – it is not through acquiescence, nor is it

> >>> through the silencing of the rights of others.

> >>>

> >>> My view – if anyone wants to come into the room and have their

> >>> say – so be it – that is bottom up.  If people want to lobby

> >>> their positions – so be it – that is bottom up.  If people

> >>> want to spend money running tv adverts about their positions for

> >>> all I care – so be it – that is the nature of the democratic

> >>> position.  If people want to bus a thousand people who share their

> >>> views – again – so be it – that is the democratic process.

> >>> However, it is the community who then need to rebut – but –

> >>> the rebuttal should be on the policy itself.  What I see here

> >>> however, is a rebuttal of policy and a lobbying position taken on

> >>> the *CONTENT* of the policy – unlike what I have seen time and

> >>> again in the meetings where the lobbying position has NOTHING to

> >>> do with the content or the policy.

> >>>

> >>> So rather than malign Lazarus for their actions here – quite

> >>> frankly, reading this document, and as much as as I have said, Lu

> >>> and I have some serious differences, I applaud Lazarus for the

> >>> comprehensive work – and I applaud them for taking a stance that

> >>> was based on the policy and I embrace their right to lobby for

> >>> their position in any way shape or form.  That is not to say I

> >>> agree with the positions taken in this document – I will reserve

> >>> my policy comments for the policies and based on my own

> >>> interpretation of such – but – I embrace the fact that at

> >>> least, it was done based on what was written, and not on personal

> >>> relationships, personal attacks, demographics, or anything else.

> >>>

> >>> So – to Lazarus – thank you for a job well done in the fact

> >>> that you lobbied your position based on the policies – and left

> >>> the other garbage behind, which is what we so often see.

> >>>

> >>> Finally – again – I respect the right to do what they did –

> >>> and

> >>>

> >>> _THAT IS DEMOCRATIC_

> >>>

> >>> Thanks

> >>>

> >>> Andrew

> >>>

> >>> FROM: wafa DAHMANI <wafa at ati.tn>

> >>> SENT: Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:30

> >>> TO: community-discuss at afrinic.net

> >>> CC: rpd at afrinic.net

> >>> SUBJECT: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

> >>>

> >>> Hi

> >>>

> >>> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus

> >>> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in

> >>> Kampala, were given a  confidential  Education package on AFRINIC

> >>> Number Resources Policy proposals detailed in the following link:

> >>>

> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation

> >>> views of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG

> >>> participants interventions on the proposals.

> >>>

> >>> The education package so proposed intends to condition these

> >>> participants views on the proposals  and their contributions at

> >>> the PPM and after....

> >>>

> >>> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual

> >>> willing to participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to

> >>> know who is behind each source email address... only opinions

> >>> expressed in the context of the PDP matter. The substance of

> >>> contribution really matter. Diversity of views are encouraged.

> >>> Lack of disagreement is more important  than of agreement.  Also

> >>> PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence.

> >>>

> >>> RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear  on these aspects of  the rough

> >>> consensus  process.

> >>>

> >>> Section 6

> >>>

> >>> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough

> >>> consensus.

> >>>

> >>> Section 7

> >>>

> >>> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be

> >>> rough consensus

> >>>

> >>> My African fellows,

> >>>

> >>> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process

> >>> is legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting  was

> >>> useful to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand

> >>> what is going on and what Africa needs...  I hope you’ve made

> >>> your minds and  now able to speak on your personal  capacity..

> >>>

> >>> The real education package  is as below:

> >>>

> >>> =====

> >>>

> >>> Proposal to establish AFRINIC

> >>>

> >>>

> >>

> >

> http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> IANA report  on AFRINIC (Accreditation)

> >>>

> >>> https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf

> >>>

> >>> AFRINIC constitution

> >>>

> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws

> >>>

> >>> Registration Service  Agreement

> >>>

> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa

> >>>

> >>> AFRINIC policy manual

> >>>

> >>> https://afrinic.net/policy/manual

> >>>

> >>> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM

> >>>

> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre

> >>>

> >>> AFRINIC PDP

> >>>

> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy

> >>>

> >>> Rough Consensus

> >>>

> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282

> >>>

> >>> AFRINIC current policy proposals

> >>>

> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals

> >>>

> >>> RiRs PDPs

> >>>

> >>> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/

> >>>

> >>> RIR comparative  policy overview

> >>>

> >>>

> >> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/

> >>>

> >>>

> >>> ==============

> >>>

> >>> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.

> >>>

> >>> Come build African Internet by Africans.

> >>>

> >>> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation,

> >>> afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of

> >>> IPv4 is long established and discussed many times on this list. I

> >>> hope the fellows would find these discussions in the archives.

> >>>

> >>> I call the attention of the board on the  repetitive attempts of

> >>> this resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid

> >>> intentions...  the provisions of the bylaws and RSA must

> >>> carefully be applied to recall members to acceptable code of

> >>> conduct.

> >>>

> >>> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet

> >>> community must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy

> >>> development process and operations.

> >>>

> >>> -Wafa _______________________________________________

> >>> Community-Discuss mailing list

> >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net

> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

> >>

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