[rpd] [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

[SOUAD ABIDI]

 correction : the meeting was from 26 to 30 November 2018
 excuse me

Best regards

Le jeu. 4 juil. 2019 à 13:22, SOUAD ABIDI <fs_abidi at esi.dz> a écrit :


> @Taiwo

>

> As an afriNIC29 fellow in Tunisia, I would like to make an input:

>

> We , as  fellows, have been given the policies doc(which is  a public doc

> )  2 weeks before the meeting  in Tunisia : 28-30 Nov 2018 .

>

> Kindly find attached :

>

> --The screen short of the email (sent Nov 14th)

> --The doc you asked for

>

> Talking as an afriNIC 29 fellow , but I believe it's the same process

> adopted for all the meetings.

>

> Best regards.

> Souad

>

>

>

>

>

> Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 à 22:07, aleruchi chuku via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> a

> écrit :

>

>> Hello Helen

>> I think the issue Taiwo is emphasizing on is educating the New comers who

>> are not fortunate to be "Afrinic Fellows".

>>

>> Aleruchi

>>

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>> On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 7:36 pm, hkariuki at isoc.or.ke

>> <hkariuki at isoc.or.ke> wrote:

>> Taiwo,

>> I am a first time Afrinic 30 fellow and attended the last AIS meeting in

>> Kampala and therefore by extension an Afrinic Alumni. I can confirm that

>> we were given summary and links to the policies before the meeting. We

>> also had a webinar before the meeting and materials emailed to us and

>> onsite discussions and after we join the mailing lists to continue

>> learning and contributing to policy discussions.

>> Regards,

>> Hellen

>>

>>

>> On 2019-07-02 16:25, Taiwo Oyewande wrote:

>> > Hi all,

>> >

>> > Taking a good look at this resource, it is obviously a summary of the

>> > policies to be discussed.

>> >

>> > Larus fellowship tends towards promoting the youth - students

>> > included-. I think this summary will be a good starting point for new

>> > members who are fresh in the policy development process.

>> >

>> > On this note, i will like to encourage Afrinic to emulate the

>> > foundation and come up with an official summary like this before every

>> > meeting to enable new and interested members get up to speed quickly.

>> >

>> > Cheers.

>> >

>> > Taiwo O

>> >

>> >> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 20:36, Andrew Alston

>> >> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:

>> >>

>> >>> Wafa,

>> >>>

>> >>> So – let me say this.  I see a document here – which lays out

>> >>> the policies – and provides a perspective of problems, it also

>> >>> lists the pros and cons.  Yes, Lazarus may have used the

>> >>> foundation to lobby for its position, but – one of the things

>> >>> that I have long accepted in my life is – if you believe in

>> >>> something – you have to lobby for it – and to be frank – the

>> >>> summary that I see in this document – is something that by and

>> >>> large – should have been done long before they got around to it.

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am

>> >>> entirely free to go and advocate for my position.  I am also

>> >>> entirely free to sponsor people to come to a public meeting –

>> >>> and I am entirely free to choose those people as I so wish, if I

>> >>> choose the people who agree with me, well, that’s life – but

>> >>> it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political nature of

>> >>> internet policy development.  Do you think that similar does not

>> >>> happen elsewhere?  People lobby for the positions that they care

>> >>> about.  It happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we

>> >>> want to cry when someone else does the same thing.

>> >>>

>> >>> Let me also say – it’s not like this hasn’t been happening

>> >>> before – and I want to quote from the OIF website: _IOF

>> >>> ORGANISES POLITICAL ACTIVITIES AND ACTIONS OF MULTILATERAL

>> >>> COOPERATION THAT BENEFIT FRENCH-SPEAKING POPULATIONS.___

>> >>>

>> >>> Yet – this is an organization that for years has spent money

>> >>> filling the room with people – and that statement does not say

>> >>> – is of benefit to Africa – it does not say is of benefit to

>> >>> the African continent – it does not say is to the benefit of the

>> >>> continent – it singles out a single demographic on the continent

>> >>> and says – we do what we do for their benefit.  Now, let me be

>> >>> very clear, if they wish to do that – I’m actually ok with it

>> >>> – though I admit I have waivered on this stance – however, we

>> >>> cannot say – because it’s a government political organization

>> >>> – it’s ok – but when a member chooses to have a foundation

>> >>> – and sponsor people to the meetings – and then lobby for the

>> >>> positions that member is passionate about – suddenly its wrong.

>> >>> That is called hypocrisy.

>> >>>

>> >>> In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone – with

>> >>> slips of paper and read a comment on a policy – and then go and

>> >>> sit down – and the same happened in Botswana.  Except, what I

>> >>> found was, when queried on the position that was taken at the

>> >>> microphone, the individual reading what they had off the paper,

>> >>> had patently obviously never read the policy and didn’t

>> >>> understand the position they were taking themselves.  So who was

>> >>> behind that?  And all of that – is on video for the world to see

>> >>> – but – it was ok then – suddenly it changes now because we

>> >>> don’t like the individual doing it?

>> >>>

>> >>> Sorry – this isn’t the way it works – and let me be clear

>> >>> – Lu Heng is not a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I

>> >>> had some pretty strong things to say to him to his face, in front

>> >>> of others who will testify to what I said to him – however – I

>> >>> respect his rights as a member to participate in what is

>> >>> essentially a democratic process, that means – I respect his

>> >>> right to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots on

>> >>> the ground, and I respect his right to have his say.  In the same

>> >>> way – I respect the right of any member to do that – and I

>> >>> respect the right of the members to then rebut what is said if

>> >>> they do not agree with it.    It is through this lobbying position

>> >>> and through the back and forth that accompanies it, that great

>> >>> policy is born – it is not through acquiescence, nor is it

>> >>> through the silencing of the rights of others.

>> >>>

>> >>> My view – if anyone wants to come into the room and have their

>> >>> say – so be it – that is bottom up.  If people want to lobby

>> >>> their positions – so be it – that is bottom up.  If people

>> >>> want to spend money running tv adverts about their positions for

>> >>> all I care – so be it – that is the nature of the democratic

>> >>> position.  If people want to bus a thousand people who share their

>> >>> views – again – so be it – that is the democratic process.

>> >>> However, it is the community who then need to rebut – but –

>> >>> the rebuttal should be on the policy itself.  What I see here

>> >>> however, is a rebuttal of policy and a lobbying position taken on

>> >>> the *CONTENT* of the policy – unlike what I have seen time and

>> >>> again in the meetings where the lobbying position has NOTHING to

>> >>> do with the content or the policy.

>> >>>

>> >>> So rather than malign Lazarus for their actions here – quite

>> >>> frankly, reading this document, and as much as as I have said, Lu

>> >>> and I have some serious differences, I applaud Lazarus for the

>> >>> comprehensive work – and I applaud them for taking a stance that

>> >>> was based on the policy and I embrace their right to lobby for

>> >>> their position in any way shape or form.  That is not to say I

>> >>> agree with the positions taken in this document – I will reserve

>> >>> my policy comments for the policies and based on my own

>> >>> interpretation of such – but – I embrace the fact that at

>> >>> least, it was done based on what was written, and not on personal

>> >>> relationships, personal attacks, demographics, or anything else.

>> >>>

>> >>> So – to Lazarus – thank you for a job well done in the fact

>> >>> that you lobbied your position based on the policies – and left

>> >>> the other garbage behind, which is what we so often see.

>> >>>

>> >>> Finally – again – I respect the right to do what they did –

>> >>> and

>> >>>

>> >>> _THAT IS DEMOCRATIC_

>> >>>

>> >>> Thanks

>> >>>

>> >>> Andrew

>> >>>

>> >>> FROM: wafa DAHMANI <wafa at ati.tn>

>> >>> SENT: Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:30

>> >>> TO: community-discuss at afrinic.net

>> >>> CC: rpd at afrinic.net

>> >>> SUBJECT: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship

>> >>>

>> >>> Hi

>> >>>

>> >>> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus

>> >>> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in

>> >>> Kampala, were given a  confidential  Education package on AFRINIC

>> >>> Number Resources Policy proposals detailed in the following link:

>> >>>

>> >>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation

>> >>> views of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG

>> >>> participants interventions on the proposals.

>> >>>

>> >>> The education package so proposed intends to condition these

>> >>> participants views on the proposals  and their contributions at

>> >>> the PPM and after....

>> >>>

>> >>> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual

>> >>> willing to participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to

>> >>> know who is behind each source email address... only opinions

>> >>> expressed in the context of the PDP matter. The substance of

>> >>> contribution really matter. Diversity of views are encouraged.

>> >>> Lack of disagreement is more important  than of agreement.  Also

>> >>> PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence.

>> >>>

>> >>> RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear  on these aspects of  the rough

>> >>> consensus  process.

>> >>>

>> >>> Section 6

>> >>>

>> >>> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough

>> >>> consensus.

>> >>>

>> >>> Section 7

>> >>>

>> >>> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be

>> >>> rough consensus

>> >>>

>> >>> My African fellows,

>> >>>

>> >>> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process

>> >>> is legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting  was

>> >>> useful to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand

>> >>> what is going on and what Africa needs...  I hope you’ve made

>> >>> your minds and  now able to speak on your personal  capacity..

>> >>>

>> >>> The real education package  is as below:

>> >>>

>> >>> =====

>> >>>

>> >>> Proposal to establish AFRINIC

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>

>> >

>> http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> IANA report  on AFRINIC (Accreditation)

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf

>> >>>

>> >>> AFRINIC constitution

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws

>> >>>

>> >>> Registration Service  Agreement

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa

>> >>>

>> >>> AFRINIC policy manual

>> >>>

>> >>> https://afrinic.net/policy/manual

>> >>>

>> >>> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre

>> >>>

>> >>> AFRINIC PDP

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy

>> >>>

>> >>> Rough Consensus

>> >>>

>> >>> https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282

>> >>>

>> >>> AFRINIC current policy proposals

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals

>> >>>

>> >>> RiRs PDPs

>> >>>

>> >>> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/

>> >>>

>> >>> RIR comparative  policy overview

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >> https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/

>> >>>

>> >>>

>> >>> ==============

>> >>>

>> >>> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.

>> >>>

>> >>> Come build African Internet by Africans.

>> >>>

>> >>> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation,

>> >>> afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of

>> >>> IPv4 is long established and discussed many times on this list. I

>> >>> hope the fellows would find these discussions in the archives.

>> >>>

>> >>> I call the attention of the board on the  repetitive attempts of

>> >>> this resource member to hijack the PDP for its sordid

>> >>> intentions...  the provisions of the bylaws and RSA must

>> >>> carefully be applied to recall members to acceptable code of

>> >>> conduct.

>> >>>

>> >>> The African Internet community as well as the global Internet

>> >>> community must pay close attention and protect the RIRs Policy

>> >>> development process and operations.

>> >>>

>> >>> -Wafa _______________________________________________

>> >>> Community-Discuss mailing list

>> >>> Community-Discuss at afrinic.net

>> >>> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/community-discuss

>> >>

>> >> --

>> >>

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