<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div>@Taiwo<br></div><div><br></div><div>As an afriNIC29 fellow in Tunisia, I would like to make an input:</div><div><br></div><div>We , as fellows, have been given the policies doc(which is a public doc ) 2 weeks before the meeting in Tunisia : 28-30 Nov 2018 .<br></div><div><br></div><div>Kindly find attached : </div><div><br></div><div>--The screen short of the email (sent Nov 14th)</div><div>--The doc you asked for </div><div><br></div><div>Talking as an afriNIC 29 fellow , but I believe it's the same process adopted for all the meetings. </div><div><br></div><div>Best regards.</div><div>Souad</div><div><br></div></div></div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le mer. 3 juil. 2019 à 22:07, aleruchi chuku via RPD <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Hello Helen<div id="gmail-m_4381663141512249686gmail-m_1612717789402024156yMail_cursorElementTracker_1562187193559">I think the issue Taiwo is emphasizing on is educating the New comers who are not fortunate to be "Afrinic Fellows". </div><div id="gmail-m_4381663141512249686gmail-m_1612717789402024156yMail_cursorElementTracker_1562187515552"><br></div><div id="gmail-m_4381663141512249686gmail-m_1612717789402024156yMail_cursorElementTracker_1562187509742">Aleruchi<br><br><div id="gmail-m_4381663141512249686gmail-m_1612717789402024156ymail_android_signature"><a href="https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android" target="_blank">Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android</a></div> <br> <blockquote style="margin:0px 0px 20px"> <div>On Wed, 3 Jul 2019 at 7:36 pm, <a href="mailto:hkariuki@isoc.or.ke" target="_blank">hkariuki@isoc.or.ke</a></div><div><<a href="mailto:hkariuki@isoc.or.ke" target="_blank">hkariuki@isoc.or.ke</a>> wrote:</div> <div style="padding:10px 0px 0px 20px;margin:10px 0px 0px;border-left:1px solid rgb(109,0,246)"> Taiwo,<br clear="none">I am a first time Afrinic 30 fellow and attended the last AIS meeting in <br clear="none">Kampala and therefore by extension an Afrinic Alumni. I can confirm that <br clear="none">we were given summary and links to the policies before the meeting. We <br clear="none">also had a webinar before the meeting and materials emailed to us and <br clear="none">onsite discussions and after we join the mailing lists to continue <br clear="none">learning and contributing to policy discussions.<br clear="none">Regards,<br clear="none">Hellen<br clear="none"><br clear="none"><br clear="none">On 2019-07-02 16:25, Taiwo Oyewande wrote:<br clear="none">> Hi all,<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Taking a good look at this resource, it is obviously a summary of the<br clear="none">> policies to be discussed.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Larus fellowship tends towards promoting the youth - students<br clear="none">> included-. I think this summary will be a good starting point for new<br clear="none">> members who are fresh in the policy development process.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> On this note, i will like to encourage Afrinic to emulate the<br clear="none">> foundation and come up with an official summary like this before every<br clear="none">> meeting to enable new and interested members get up to speed quickly.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Cheers.<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">> Taiwo O<br clear="none">> <br clear="none">>> On Tue, 2 Jul 2019 at 20:36, Andrew Alston<br clear="none">>> <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com</a>> wrote:<br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">>>> Wafa,<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> So – let me say this. I see a document here – which lays out<br clear="none">>>> the policies – and provides a perspective of problems, it also<br clear="none">>>> lists the pros and cons. Yes, Lazarus may have used the<br clear="none">>>> foundation to lobby for its position, but – one of the things<br clear="none">>>> that I have long accepted in my life is – if you believe in<br clear="none">>>> something – you have to lobby for it – and to be frank – the<br clear="none">>>> summary that I see in this document – is something that by and<br clear="none">>>> large – should have been done long before they got around to it.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> If I, as an individual, feel strongly about something, I am<br clear="none">>>> entirely free to go and advocate for my position. I am also<br clear="none">>>> entirely free to sponsor people to come to a public meeting –<br clear="none">>>> and I am entirely free to choose those people as I so wish, if I<br clear="none">>>> choose the people who agree with me, well, that’s life – but<br clear="none">>>> it certainly aint against the rules, it is the political nature of<br clear="none">>>> internet policy development. Do you think that similar does not<br clear="none">>>> happen elsewhere? People lobby for the positions that they care<br clear="none">>>> about. It happens in politics, it happens in life, and yet now we<br clear="none">>>> want to cry when someone else does the same thing.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Let me also say – it’s not like this hasn’t been happening<br clear="none">>>> before – and I want to quote from the OIF website: _IOF<br clear="none">>>> ORGANISES POLITICAL ACTIVITIES AND ACTIONS OF MULTILATERAL<br clear="none">>>> COOPERATION THAT BENEFIT FRENCH-SPEAKING POPULATIONS.___<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Yet – this is an organization that for years has spent money<br clear="none">>>> filling the room with people – and that statement does not say<br clear="none">>>> – is of benefit to Africa – it does not say is of benefit to<br clear="none">>>> the African continent – it does not say is to the benefit of the<br clear="none">>>> continent – it singles out a single demographic on the continent<br clear="none">>>> and says – we do what we do for their benefit. Now, let me be<br clear="none">>>> very clear, if they wish to do that – I’m actually ok with it<br clear="none">>>> – though I admit I have waivered on this stance – however, we<br clear="none">>>> cannot say – because it’s a government political organization<br clear="none">>>> – it’s ok – but when a member chooses to have a foundation<br clear="none">>>> – and sponsor people to the meetings – and then lobby for the<br clear="none">>>> positions that member is passionate about – suddenly its wrong.<br clear="none">>>> That is called hypocrisy.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> In Point Noire, I watched people walk to the microphone – with<br clear="none">>>> slips of paper and read a comment on a policy – and then go and<br clear="none">>>> sit down – and the same happened in Botswana. Except, what I<br clear="none">>>> found was, when queried on the position that was taken at the<br clear="none">>>> microphone, the individual reading what they had off the paper,<br clear="none">>>> had patently obviously never read the policy and didn’t<br clear="none">>>> understand the position they were taking themselves. So who was<br clear="none">>>> behind that? And all of that – is on video for the world to see<br clear="none">>>> – but – it was ok then – suddenly it changes now because we<br clear="none">>>> don’t like the individual doing it?<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Sorry – this isn’t the way it works – and let me be clear<br clear="none">>>> – Lu Heng is not a friend of mine, and in fact in Mauritius I<br clear="none">>>> had some pretty strong things to say to him to his face, in front<br clear="none">>>> of others who will testify to what I said to him – however – I<br clear="none">>>> respect his rights as a member to participate in what is<br clear="none">>>> essentially a democratic process, that means – I respect his<br clear="none">>>> right to lobby for his views, I respect his right to put boots on<br clear="none">>>> the ground, and I respect his right to have his say. In the same<br clear="none">>>> way – I respect the right of any member to do that – and I<br clear="none">>>> respect the right of the members to then rebut what is said if<br clear="none">>>> they do not agree with it. It is through this lobbying position<br clear="none">>>> and through the back and forth that accompanies it, that great<br clear="none">>>> policy is born – it is not through acquiescence, nor is it<br clear="none">>>> through the silencing of the rights of others.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> My view – if anyone wants to come into the room and have their<br clear="none">>>> say – so be it – that is bottom up. If people want to lobby<br clear="none">>>> their positions – so be it – that is bottom up. If people<br clear="none">>>> want to spend money running tv adverts about their positions for<br clear="none">>>> all I care – so be it – that is the nature of the democratic<br clear="none">>>> position. If people want to bus a thousand people who share their<br clear="none">>>> views – again – so be it – that is the democratic process.<br clear="none">>>> However, it is the community who then need to rebut – but –<br clear="none">>>> the rebuttal should be on the policy itself. What I see here<br clear="none">>>> however, is a rebuttal of policy and a lobbying position taken on<br clear="none">>>> the *CONTENT* of the policy – unlike what I have seen time and<br clear="none">>>> again in the meetings where the lobbying position has NOTHING to<br clear="none">>>> do with the content or the policy.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> So rather than malign Lazarus for their actions here – quite<br clear="none">>>> frankly, reading this document, and as much as as I have said, Lu<br clear="none">>>> and I have some serious differences, I applaud Lazarus for the<br clear="none">>>> comprehensive work – and I applaud them for taking a stance that<br clear="none">>>> was based on the policy and I embrace their right to lobby for<br clear="none">>>> their position in any way shape or form. That is not to say I<br clear="none">>>> agree with the positions taken in this document – I will reserve<br clear="none">>>> my policy comments for the policies and based on my own<br clear="none">>>> interpretation of such – but – I embrace the fact that at<br clear="none">>>> least, it was done based on what was written, and not on personal<br clear="none">>>> relationships, personal attacks, demographics, or anything else.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> So – to Lazarus – thank you for a job well done in the fact<br clear="none">>>> that you lobbied your position based on the policies – and left<br clear="none">>>> the other garbage behind, which is what we so often see.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Finally – again – I respect the right to do what they did –<br clear="none">>>> and<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> _THAT IS DEMOCRATIC_<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Thanks<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Andrew<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> FROM: wafa DAHMANI <<a shape="rect" href="mailto:wafa@ati.tn" target="_blank">wafa@ati.tn</a>><br clear="none">>>> SENT: Tuesday, 2 July 2019 12:30<br clear="none">>>> TO: <a shape="rect" href="mailto:community-discuss@afrinic.net" target="_blank">community-discuss@afrinic.net</a><br clear="none">>>> CC: <a shape="rect" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br clear="none">>>> SUBJECT: [Community-Discuss] Larus foundation fellowship<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Hi<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> It fell under public domain, that those who benefited from Larus<br clear="none">>>> foundation fellowship to attend the last afrinic meeting in<br clear="none">>>> Kampala, were given a confidential Education package on AFRINIC<br clear="none">>>> Number Resources Policy proposals detailed in the following link:<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg" target="_blank">https://drive.google.com/open?id=1kf7K8JdL-zl5NYjlboltmoXeq2mAJvNg</a><br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> The document lists the proposals to be discussed, Larus Foundation<br clear="none">>>> views of Pros and Cons on each of them, selective PDWG<br clear="none">>>> participants interventions on the proposals.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> The education package so proposed intends to condition these<br clear="none">>>> participants views on the proposals and their contributions at<br clear="none">>>> the PPM and after....<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> I like to remind us that the PDP is open for any individual<br clear="none">>>> willing to participate. Views expressed are personal. No need to<br clear="none">>>> know who is behind each source email address... only opinions<br clear="none">>>> expressed in the context of the PDP matter. The substance of<br clear="none">>>> contribution really matter. Diversity of views are encouraged.<br clear="none">>>> Lack of disagreement is more important than of agreement. Also<br clear="none">>>> PDP is not a matter of volume, repetition or persistence.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> RFC 7282 section 6 and 7 are clear on these aspects of the rough<br clear="none">>>> consensus process.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Section 6<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> One hundred people for and five people against might not be rough<br clear="none">>>> consensus.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Section 7<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Five people for and one hundred people against might still be<br clear="none">>>> rough consensus<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> My African fellows,<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Your desire to participate to AFRINIC policy development Process<br clear="none">>>> is legitimate and must be encouraged. I hope the last meeting was<br clear="none">>>> useful to you and allow you to identify the issues, understand<br clear="none">>>> what is going on and what Africa needs... I hope you’ve made<br clear="none">>>> your minds and now able to speak on your personal capacity..<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> The real education package is as below:<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> =====<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Proposal to establish AFRINIC<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>> <br clear="none">> <a shape="rect" href="http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997" target="_blank">http://web01.jnb.afrinic.net/en/library/policies/archive/ppm-minutes/862-kuala-lumpur-1997</a><br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> IANA report on AFRINIC (Accreditation)<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf" target="_blank">https://www.iana.org/reports/2005/afrinic-report-05aug2005.pdf</a><br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> AFRINIC constitution<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/bylaws</a><br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Registration Service Agreement<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/membership/agreements#rsa</a><br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> AFRINIC policy manual<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="https://afrinic.net/policy/manual" target="_blank">https://afrinic.net/policy/manual</a><br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> AFRINIC policies before the adoption of the CPM<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/cpm-pre</a><br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> AFRINIC PDP<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy</a><br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Rough Consensus<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282" target="_blank">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc7282</a><br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> AFRINIC current policy proposals<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals</a><br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> RiRs PDPs<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/" target="_blank">https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/</a><br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> RIR comparative policy overview<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>> <a shape="rect" href="https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/" target="_blank">https://www.nro.net/policy/regional/rir-comparative-policy-overview/</a><br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> ==============<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Please read and process them, ask questions and find your way.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> Come build African Internet by Africans.<br clear="none">>>> <br clear="none">>>> As for Larus Foundation, your relationship to cloud innovation,<br clear="none">>>> afrinic member with suspicious activities, holding 6 millions of<br clear="none">>>> IPv4 is long established and discussed many times on this list. 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