[rpd] Fwd: inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs this policy now!

Sun Jun 23 09:56:14 UTC 2019

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From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
Date: Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:25 PM
Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC
needs this policy now!
To: haruna adoga <hartek66 at gmail.com>

Hi Haruna,

I’m not sure if you realized that you only responded to me, not sure if
this was intentional.

Feel free to copy my response to the list (I can’t do it to respect your
privacy if it was not your intent to copy the list), if that was your
intent. Actually, I will strongly suggest you doing it, because I’ve
pointed to very important arguments against the oppositions to this
proposal.

Responses below in-line.

Regards,

Jordi

@jordipalet

El 21/6/19 16:49, "haruna adoga" <hartek66 at gmail.com> escribió:

Hello all,

I once again want to reiterate some few points I raised during the policy
discussions.

Since we are gradually moving towards the end of the second phase of Ipv4
exhaustion in our region, it is only sensible  that we support this policy.

Not supporting this policy will leave us with three options:

   1. Rely on Network Address Translation (Nat) to keep businesses in
   Africa connected to the Internet.

I’m guessing that you actually meant Carrier Grade NAT (CGN). Actually, is
even worst, because typically it is NAT+CGN. This creates additional
troubles for applications that may be able to support just NAT44, but not
NAT444, and it means that your IPv4 address ranges get blocked (forever)
for some service providers, such as Sony Playstation Network.

   1. Rely on the black market, which Afrinic doesn't believe exists, to
   stay connected.

It exists, it may be hidden as “leasing” addresses outside AFRICA, or
selling them (outside AFRICA as well), without proper changes to the
registry. We don’t know, unfortunately if it is members doing it, or it is
“bad” employees from members. This is not just bad, but also dangerous for
both sides of the operation. I will love if someone in the region (or
outside it), can point to specific members or specific recourses being used
outside, to tell the staff so they can investigate. This will probe also
that the staff is able to do that investigation even if we don’t have a
“review policy”, just following the RSA.

Of course, ideally the staff can setup some automated tools to verify all
those resources that are being used outside, because I’m convinced the
result of that tool can provide some hints about specific cases where many
IPv4 blocks are used elsewhere without a proper justification.

At this stage, because members can still ask for resources to AFRINIC, I
don’t think the black market is actually working in the opposite direction,
so clearly this is an action just against AFRINIC. It is precisely allowing
to have one-way-only-outgoing transfers, which is the reason being argued
by the oppositions to the Inter-RIR transfers. Clearly it proves the point
of all those that support the policy for Inter-RIR transfers.

c. Rely on Ipv6 transition mechanisms such as 6 to 4 tunneling, which also
requires Ipv4 addresses.

I’m guessing you mean 6in4. It is a different protocol than 6to4. I will
not recommend at this stage to used 6to4. In the case of 6in4, you can
create a tunnel broker, or either use 6RD, but as you well said, they need
public IPv4 addresses. It will be possible to use private ones in
combination to NAT+CGN, but again this creates a lot troubles.

All the options listed above are not feasible, which makes them detrimental
to the growth of the Internet community in our region. NAT comes with more
technical disadvantages than the major and single advantage it provides for
IP address translation (private to public).

For the second option, "the market does not exist". Option c requires Ipv4
addresses, which we are likely going to run out of by the end of this year.

Supporting this policy will allow us to grow our Internet space as a
region, and help us to fully prepare for the inevitable exhaustion of Ipv4
addresses.

Well said!

Moreover, it allows also **new** business to be supported in Africa.

Haruna Umar Adoga

Department of Computer Science

Federal University Lafia

Nigeria.

On Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 13:24 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net>
wrote:

Hi all,

I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4 Inter-RIR
transfers.

https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1

and

https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1

I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If you're not
in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely (
https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely), so we can
resolve any doubts on the spot.

This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not allowing
those transfers.

AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in exhaustion
phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to obtain IPv4. If
transfers from other regions aren't allowed, this will be an added
difficulty for the Internet growth in the region, and increase the
difficulties for the continued IPv6 deployment.

The region needs this policy *now*, because the implementation requires
several months as there is a need to coordinate with the systems of the
other RIRs, in order to ensure a transparent transfers process.

So, what is your opinion?

Regards,
Jordi
@jordipalet

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