<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">---------- Forwarded message ---------<br>From: <strong class="gmail_sendername" dir="auto">JORDI PALET MARTINEZ</strong> <span dir="auto"><<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>></span><br>Date: Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 12:25 PM<br>Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs this policy now!<br>To: haruna adoga <<a href="mailto:hartek66@gmail.com">hartek66@gmail.com</a>><br></div><br><br><div lang="ES" link="blue" vlink="purple"><div class="m_9128872358297609499WordSection1"><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Hi Haruna,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I’m not sure if you realized that you only responded to me, not sure if this was intentional.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Feel free to copy my response to the list (I can’t do it to respect your privacy if it was not your intent to copy the list), if that was your intent. Actually, I will strongly suggest you doing it, because I’ve pointed to very important arguments against the oppositions to this proposal.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Responses below in-line.<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Regards,<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">Jordi<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black">@jordipalet<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt;color:black"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">El 21/6/19 16:49, "haruna adoga" <<a href="mailto:hartek66@gmail.com" target="_blank">hartek66@gmail.com</a>> escribió:<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hello all, <u></u><u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">I once again want to reiterate some few points I raised during the policy discussions. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Since we are gradually moving towards the end of the second phase of Ipv4 exhaustion in our region, it is only sensible that we support this policy.<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Not supporting this policy will leave us with three options:<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="1" type="a"><li class="m_9128872358297609499MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:17.4pt"><span lang="EN-US">Rely on Network Address Translation (Nat) to keep businesses in Africa connected to the Internet.<u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I’m guessing that you actually meant Carrier Grade NAT (CGN). Actually, is even worst, because typically it is NAT+CGN. This creates additional troubles for applications that may be able to support just NAT44, but not NAT444, and it means that your IPv4 address ranges get blocked (forever) for some service providers, such as Sony Playstation Network.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><ol style="margin-top:0cm" start="2" type="a"><li class="m_9128872358297609499MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:17.4pt"><span lang="EN-US">Rely on the black market, which Afrinic doesn't believe exists, to stay connected. <u></u><u></u></span></li></ol><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">It exists, it may be hidden as “leasing” addresses outside AFRICA, or selling them (outside AFRICA as well), without proper changes to the registry. We don’t know, unfortunately if it is members doing it, or it is “bad” employees from members. This is not just bad, but also dangerous for both sides of the operation. I will love if someone in the region (or outside it), can point to specific members or specific recourses being used outside, to tell the staff so they can investigate. This will probe also that the staff is able to do that investigation even if we don’t have a “review policy”, just following the RSA.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Of course, ideally the staff can setup some automated tools to verify all those resources that are being used outside, because I’m convinced the result of that tool can provide some hints about specific cases where many IPv4 blocks are used elsewhere without a proper justification.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">At this stage, because members can still ask for resources to AFRINIC, I don’t think the black market is actually working in the opposite direction, so clearly this is an action just against AFRINIC. It is precisely allowing to have one-way-only-outgoing transfers, which is the reason being argued by the oppositions to the Inter-RIR transfers. Clearly it proves the point of all those that support the policy for Inter-RIR transfers.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">c. Rely on Ipv6 transition mechanisms such as 6 to 4 tunneling, which also requires Ipv4 addresses. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">I’m guessing you mean 6in4. It is a different protocol than 6to4. I will not recommend at this stage to used 6to4. In the case of 6in4, you can create a tunnel broker, or either use 6RD, but as you well said, they need public IPv4 addresses. It will be possible to use private ones in combination to NAT+CGN, but again this creates a lot troubles.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">All the options listed above are not feasible, which makes them detrimental to the growth of the Internet community in our region. NAT comes with more technical disadvantages than the major and single advantage it provides for IP address translation (private to public). <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">For the second option, "the market does not exist". Option c requires Ipv4 addresses, which we are likely going to run out of by the end of this year. <u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Supporting this policy will allow us to grow our Internet space as a region, and help us to fully prepare for the inevitable exhaustion of Ipv4 addresses. <u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><u></u> <u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal">Well said!<u></u><u></u></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:12.0pt"><u></u> <u></u></span></p><p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:12.0pt">Moreover, it allows also *<b>new</b>* business to be supported in Africa.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt"><span lang="EN-US"><u></u> <u></u></span></p></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Haruna Umar Adoga<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Department of Computer Science<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Federal University Lafia<u></u><u></u></p></div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;margin-left:35.4pt">Nigeria. <u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">On Sat, 15 Jun 2019, 13:24 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD, <<a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank">rpd@afrinic.net</a>> wrote:<u></u><u></u></p></div><blockquote style="border:none;border-left:solid #cccccc 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-right:0cm"><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-left:35.4pt">Hi all,<br><br>I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4 Inter-RIR transfers.<br><br><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1</a><br><br>and<br><br><a href="https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1" target="_blank">https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1</a><br><br>I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If you're not in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely (<a href="https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely" target="_blank">https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely</a>), so we can resolve any doubts on the spot.<br><br>This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not allowing those transfers.<br><br>AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in exhaustion phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to obtain IPv4. If transfers from other regions aren't allowed, this will be an added difficulty for the Internet growth in the region, and increase the difficulties for the continued IPv6 deployment.<br><br>The region needs this policy *now*, because the implementation requires several months as there is a need to coordinate with the systems of the other RIRs, in order to ensure a transparent transfers process.<br><br>So, what is your opinion?<br><br>Regards,<br>Jordi<br>@jordipalet<br><br><br><br><br><br>**********************************************<br>IPv4 is over<br>Are you ready for the new Internet ?<br><a href="http://www.theipv6company.com" target="_blank">http://www.theipv6company.com</a><br>The IPv6 Company<br><br>This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or confidential. 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