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[rpd] IPV4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfer

94cm4n . ezekielj20 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 18 09:49:35 UTC 2019


Dear all,

The above policy I strongly support because unused resources cannot be left
dormant without use. Moreover, other RIR have all implemented this policy
and it will do us good as a community to have this policy approved before
we all leave Uganda.
Thanks for your understanding.

Jehovahseun Ezekiel ADEKANMI

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 12:46 PM 94cm4n ., <ezekielj20 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> The above policy I strongly support because unused resources cannot be
> left dormant without use. Moreover, other RIR have all implemented this
> policy and it will do us good as a community to have this policy approved
> before we all leave Uganda.
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 12:37 PM , <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:
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>>    1. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer (Frank Habicht)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:37:04 +0300
>> From: Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz>
>> To: rpd at afrinic.net
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
>> Message-ID: <ecea0c06-0604-b462-939f-de98935e35e0 at geier.ne.tz>
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>> I agree and support this policy.
>>
>> Frank Habicht
>>
>>
>> On 18/06/2019 12:23, Emem William wrote:
>> > Dear all,?
>> > Jordie and Mark has giving all the points. There is no need for me to
>> > repeat them.?
>> > Afrinic is the only region left out cos we are sometimes slow.
>> > I totally agree with this policy and I believe it should get approved
>> > here in Uganda.
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, 09:49 <rpd-request at afrinic.net
>> > <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:
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>> >     Today's Topics:
>> >
>> >     ? ?1. Re: inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs
>> >     ? ? ? this policy now! (Pascal ANDRIANISA)
>> >     ? ?2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (aleruchi chuku)
>> >     ? ?3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Kris Seeburn)
>> >     ? ?4. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
>> >     ? ? ? (Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE)
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >     Message: 1
>> >     Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:48:06 +0300 (EAT)
>> >     From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
>> >     <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
>> >     To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es
>> >     <mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>
>> >     Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> >     Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals -
>> AFRINIC
>> >     ? ? ? ? needs this policy now!
>> >     Message-ID:
>> >     ? ? ? ?
>> >     <2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg
>> >     <mailto:
>> 2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg>>
>> >     Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
>> >
>> >     Hi Jordi,
>> >     I read the policy proposal for IPV4 Inter-RIR Transfert.? ?
>> >     The article =>
>> >     https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1#proposal
>> >     ? I think this is not the benefit of AFRINIC as resources are
>> >     currently insufficient for AFRINIC.
>> >     Otherwise it is necessary to balance the transfers between RIR
>> >     because at least the number of resources is limited to sending to
>> >     other RIRs.
>> >
>> >     I do not support this policy for this reason, The AFRINIC's
>> >     resources are not enough for AFRICA, why transfer them elsewhere
>> ....
>> >
>> >     Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA
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>> >     ----- Mail original -----
>> >     De: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> >     ?: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> >     Envoy?: Samedi 15 Juin 2019 13:23:23
>> >     Objet: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC
>> >     needs this policy now!
>> >
>> >     Hi all,
>> >
>> >     I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4
>> >     Inter-RIR transfers.
>> >
>> >     https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1
>> >
>> >     and
>> >
>> >     https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1
>> >
>> >     I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If
>> >     you're not in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely
>> >     (https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely), so we
>> >     can resolve any doubts on the spot.
>> >
>> >     This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not
>> >     allowing those transfers.
>> >
>> >     AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in
>> >     exhaustion phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to
>> >     obtain IPv4. If transfers from other regions aren't allowed, this
>> >     will be an added difficulty for the Internet growth in the region,
>> >     and increase the difficulties for the continued IPv6 deployment.
>> >
>> >     The region needs this policy *now*, because the implementation
>> >     requires several months as there is a need to coordinate with the
>> >     systems of the other RIRs, in order to ensure a transparent
>> >     transfers process.
>> >
>> >     So, what is your opinion?
>> >
>> >     Regards,
>> >     Jordi
>> >     @jordipalet
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> >     Message: 2
>> >     Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:41:32 +0000 (UTC)
>> >     From: aleruchi chuku <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com
>> >     <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>>
>> >     To: "pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>"
>> >     <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>,? ishola
>> kabir
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>> >     Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net
>> >     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> >     Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>> >     Message-ID: <820859170.2990967.1560847292489 at mail.yahoo.com
>> >     <mailto:820859170.2990967.1560847292489 at mail.yahoo.com>>
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>> >     If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be nothing
>> >     to transfere....would there?
>> >     But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming
>> >     "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be
>> >     able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve
>> >     from them.
>> >     Aleruchi
>> >
>> >     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>> >     ? On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal
>> >     ANDRIANISA<pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
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>> >     Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:44:56 +0400
>> >     From: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com
>> >>
>> >     To: "aleruchichuku at yahoo.com <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>"
>> >     <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>>
>> >     Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net
>> >     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>, ishola kabir
>> >     ? ? ? ? <isholakabir at gmail.com <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
>> >     Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>> >     Message-ID: <CFC03DF5-3CAE-492E-83F5-88BA46719F7D at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:CFC03DF5-3CAE-492E-83F5-88BA46719F7D at gmail.com>>
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>> >     That is a thought of sense. If we do that we equate and live another
>> >     day as we say. Yes old it will be and pushing to be at par with
>> >     others is the way through
>> >
>> >     > On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:41, aleruchi chuku via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net
>> >     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>> >     >
>> >     > If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be
>> >     nothing to transfere....would there?
>> >     >
>> >     > But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming
>> >     "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be
>> >     able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve
>> >     from them.
>> >     >
>> >     > Aleruchi
>> >     >
>> >     > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>> >     <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>> >     > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal ANDRIANISA
>> >     > <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>> wrote:
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>> >     Message: 4
>> >     Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:43:58 +0100
>> >     From: Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng
>> >     <mailto:elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng>>
>> >     To: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>>
>> >     Cc: "AfriNIC RPD MList." <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> >     Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
>> >     Message-ID:
>> >     ? ? ? ?
>> >     <CAEsR0rUKoKOH=ku-qHHo7ShWymOHzX_dE4r80DF=nqcP2ciFJQ at mail.gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:nqcP2ciFJQ at mail.gmail.com>>
>> >     Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> >
>> >     I agree with you perfectly.
>> >
>> >     On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:05 AM Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> >     > I?ll second and if not support that resources be used than kept
>> in the
>> >     > coffer. If the coffer generated some interest I would see no issue
>> >     but our
>> >     > existence is also trying to find a stability between all the RIRs
>> and
>> >     > resources needs to be used for continuous existence and
>> sustainability
>> >     >
>> >     > On 18 Jun 2019, at 11:53, Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <
>> >     > elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
>> >     >
>> >     > Dear All,
>> >     > Thank you Mark Elkins for those wonderful points, I do not
>> >     understand why
>> >     > we should continue to keep the resources when they can easily be
>> >     utilized.
>> >     >
>> >     > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:21 AM <rpd-request at afrinic.net
>> >     <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>> >     >
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>> >     >> Today's Topics:
>> >     >>
>> >     >>? ? 1. Re: Nomcom feedback to PDWG (Owen DeLong)
>> >     >>? ? 2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Pascal
>> >     ANDRIANISA)
>> >     >>? ? 3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Mark Elkins)
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
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>> >     >>
>> >     >> Message: 1
>> >     >> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 23:19:55 +0300
>> >     >> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
>> >     >> To: Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest at afrinic.net
>> >     <mailto:ernest at afrinic.net>>
>> >     >> Cc: 2019 NomCom <nomcom2019 at afrinic.net
>> >     <mailto:nomcom2019 at afrinic.net>>, rpd at afrinic.net
>> >     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> >     >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG
>> >     >> Message-ID: <F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B at delong.com
>> >     <mailto:F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B at delong.com>>
>> >     >> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? ?charset=utf-8
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Ernest, as I understand the PDP and the bylaws, the only
>> >     appropriate way
>> >     >> to implement the output of that committee would be for the
>> >     committee to
>> >     >> write up one or more policy proposals to codify then into the PDP
>> >     and have
>> >     >> the community come to consensus on them.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Failing that, they are an ex party change to the PDP in violation
>> >     of the
>> >     >> PDP and the bylaws. While I agree with most of the
>> >     recommendations on that
>> >     >> page, we must above all preserve the integrity of the process and
>> >     therefore
>> >     >> follow the rules when we seek to amend the process.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Owen
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> > On Jun 17, 2019, at 17:08, Ernest Byaruhanga
>> >     <ernest at afrinic.net <mailto:ernest at afrinic.net>>
>> >     >> wrote:
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > Owen,
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > An update to the PDWG co-chair election process was produced
>> by an
>> >     >> elections process review committee instituted by the CEO and
>> >     shared with
>> >     >> the community for comments and feedback, sometime in 2012:
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2012/002145.html
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > Unfortunately we are not able to download or locate the
>> >     original copy,
>> >     >> but the adopted document used in 2013 included the requirement
>> >     that those
>> >     >> voting should be residing within the AFRINIC region.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > The elections committee has however never enforced this
>> requirement
>> >     >> despite its presence in the elections guideline, which was
>> >     presumably an
>> >     >> output of that review committee based on comments and feedback
>> >     consequent
>> >     >> to the call for comments.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > The elections committee will therefore not be enforcing this
>> >     >> requirement in the coming election based on precedent.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > On the issue of remote participants voting, we have not
>> >     provided for
>> >     >> this before, and unfortunately not at the upcoming election.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > We welcome and will include the community?s feedback towards
>> >     improving
>> >     >> the current election processes.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > Ernest.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> >> On 16 Jun 2019, at 09:08, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com
>> >     <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> I have some questions about the conduct of this election.
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> First, I would think that the controlling document would be
>> >     the CPM
>> >     >> and not some random webpage of unknown origin.
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> Thus, I suggest that the rules (such as they are) are outlined
>> >     in CPM
>> >     >> section 3 and that where the following page:
>> >     >> >>? ?
>> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> Conflicts or provides additional restrictions, the CPM should
>> be
>> >     >> controlling and additional restrictions specified there are not
>> >     valid.
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> I have not yet seen anyone answer Dewole?s earlier question
>> about
>> >     >> where this procedure came from and how it was deployed without
>> >     community
>> >     >> involvement or consensus.
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> Amending the election procedure (or even making it more
>> specific)
>> >     >> should be done through modification of the PDP via the PDP.
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> It certainly should not be done ad hoc by AfriNIC staff, the
>> >     board, or
>> >     >> whoever else produced that page.
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> For example, it has never previously been the practice that
>> >     one must
>> >     >> reside in a country within AfriNIC region in order to vote for
>> PDWG
>> >     >> co-chair, nor should it be. AfriNIC policies affect those outside
>> >     of the
>> >     >> region as well as those within the region and there are a
>> significant
>> >     >> number of people active in the PDWG that do not live within the
>> >     region,
>> >     >> myself included.
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> No RIR that I know of restricts voting for PDWG co-chairs (or
>> >     >> equivalent) to those residing in the region.
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> Then there is the question of remote participants voting.
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> The CPM section 3.3 is silent on this matter for a normal
>> >     election, so
>> >     >> that leaves an open question.
>> >     >> >> However,
>> >     https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
>> >     >> states that you must be physically present in the room and must
>> >     have a
>> >     >> badge showing that you have registered (assuming that they sort
>> >     out the
>> >     >> irregularities with badge printing).
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> Can we please get some clarification on the procedure for this
>> >     >> election at least 24 hours before the voting starts?
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> Thanks,
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >> Owen
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >>
>> >     >> >>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:51 AM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng
>> >     <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> wrote:
>> >     >> >>>
>> >     >> >>> I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on
>> >     conduct of
>> >     >> PDWG elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election
>> >     process somehow
>> >     >> seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please clarify how
>> >     we came
>> >     >> about the detailed election notes outlined at
>> >     >> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election ?
>> >     This is
>> >     >> bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via the
>> PDP.
>> >     >> >>>
>> >     >> >>> My suggestion about giving the working group the option of
>> >     retaining
>> >     >> the current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving
>> >     after the
>> >     >> same meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working
>> group
>> >     >> members present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair)
>> >     the option
>> >     >> of rejecting the default seat retention.
>> >     >> >>>
>> >     >> >>> In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the
>> NomCom
>> >     >> asking us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections
>> >     Committee
>> >     >> to tell us how they intend to handle this.
>> >     >> >>>
>> >     >> >>> Regards,
>> >     >> >>>
>> >     >> >>> Dewole.
>> >     >> >>>
>> >     >> >>>
>> >     >> >>>
>> >     >> >>>
>> >     >> >>>> On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:
>> >     >> >>>> I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is
>> >     qualify to
>> >     >> be voted and how our elections should be conducted. I hope we not
>> >     trying to
>> >     >> define new rules here.
>> >     >> >>>>
>> >     >> >>>> We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless
>> >     should be
>> >     >> given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing anyone
>> >     giving
>> >     >> any special consideration.
>> >     >> >>>>
>> >     >> >>>> In particular I believe that all the candidates that are
>> >     >> volunteering, could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the
>> >     PWDG. So
>> >     >> let us not disadvantage anyone.
>> >     >> >>>>
>> >     >> >>>> So far NomCom have shown commitment to? a fair process and
>> >     >> maintaining that going forward will be important.
>> >     >> >>>>
>> >     >> >>>> Simply,
>> >     >> >>>> Danile
>> >     >> >>>>
>> >     >> >>>>
>> >     >> >>>>
>> >     >> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao
>> >     <dewole at forum.org.ng <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>>
>> >     >> wrote:
>> >     >> >>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I
>> >     shared
>> >     >> earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start of
>> >     the policy
>> >     >> day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the day. Holding
>> the
>> >     >> election before the open mic will allow working group members
>> >     also provide
>> >     >> feedback on the process during the open mic.
>> >     >> >>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>> The contents of
>> >     >> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019
>> remain
>> >     >> unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we should
>> >     wait for
>> >     >> NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair candidates are
>> >     (before we
>> >     >> start the questioning)? For future PDWG elections, the questions
>> >     could be
>> >     >> included as part of the information to provide during the
>> nominations
>> >     >> stage. Or maybe some have already been asked by NomCom and the
>> >     candidates
>> >     >> only need to decide what they wish to share with us.
>> >     >> >>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has
>> >     a plan
>> >     >> for incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect
>> to
>> >     >> participate in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.
>> >     >> >>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>> Regards,
>> >     >> >>>>> Dewole.
>> >     >> >>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>> >     >> >>>>>> Hi Dewole, all,
>> >     >> >>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to
>> >     keep
>> >     >> continuity of the existing co-chairs.
>> >     >> >>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be
>> >     good to
>> >     >> consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so even
>> >     if the
>> >     >> election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP
>> >     discussion time
>> >     >> is respected.
>> >     >> >>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one
>> >     year, or
>> >     >> how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?
>> >     >> >>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair
>> >     >> candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful
>> >     knowledge
>> >     >> by the community to whom they are electing. This is not about
>> >     electing
>> >     >> "your best friend for driving a party", but the people that
>> >     better knows
>> >     >> the PDP and has already been following it.
>> >     >> >>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since
>> >     when
>> >     >> they have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have contributed
>> >     in the
>> >     >> discussions in the list and meetings, or even with policy
>> >     proposals. How
>> >     >> the candidates are going to support the PDP, increase community
>> >     >> participation, etc. Also, we need to understand if they have
>> actively
>> >     >> supported or non-supported any of the actual policy proposals, so
>> >     we can
>> >     >> avoid electing two chairs that may have a bias on the same policy
>> >     proposal.
>> >     >> >>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>> Reading the actual CVs at
>> >     >> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019,
>> I
>> >     don't
>> >     >> think all the candidates have that information right now.
>> >     >> >>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with
>> verified
>> >     >> responses to some extent) those questions for each of the
>> >     candidate and
>> >     >> publish it together with the CVs ?
>> >     >> >>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>> Regards,
>> >     >> >>>>>> Jordi
>> >     >> >>>>>> ?El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng
>> >     <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> escribi?:
>> >     >> >>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for
>> the
>> >     >> Nomination
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the
>> >     final
>> >     >> slate of
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? candidates after their considerations have been done.
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Elections Committee should at this point also
>> >     state how
>> >     >> the seats would
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There
>> >     have been
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to
>> >     sort them
>> >     >> out now
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of
>> >     hands to
>> >     >> see if the
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? working group is in support of Sami retaining his
>> seat. If
>> >     >> majority in
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the
>> >     election is
>> >     >> for one
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates
>> has the
>> >     >> maximum votes.
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour
>> of
>> >     >> current co-chair
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? taking a seat by default, then second round of voting
>> >     can be
>> >     >> for 2 seats
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? possibly using the option of higher votes getting the
>> >     longer
>> >     >> term.
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Again, this is just my point of view.
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Regards,
>> >     >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Dewole.
>> >     >> >>>>>>>? ? ? ? ?On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
>> >     >> >>>>>>> Hi Serge,
>> >     >> >>>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>>>> On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
>> >     >> >>>>>>>> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of the
>> >     persons
>> >     >> who
>> >     >> >>>>>>>> submitted their documentation.? The Nomination Committee
>> >     Chair
>> >     >> contacted
>> >     >> >>>>>>>> each nominee to notify him/her of the decision.
>> >     >> >>>>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>>> Is this particular update referring to all the nominees,
>> >     nominees
>> >     >> that
>> >     >> >>>>>>> complained or only nominees that remained after the
>> >     NomCom filter.
>> >     >> >>>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>>> The text "persons who submitted their documentation"
>> >     requires more
>> >     >> >>>>>>> clarity IMHO.
>> >     >> >>>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>>> Regards,
>> >     >> >>>>>>>
>> >     >> >>>>>>> Ish Sookun
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>> >     >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:05:12 +0300 (EAT)
>> >     >> From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
>> >     <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
>> >     >> To: ishola kabir <isholakabir at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
>> >     >> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> >     >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>> >     >> Message-ID:
>> >     >>? ? ? ?
>> >     ?<1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edumg
>> >     <mailto:
>> 1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg>>
>> >     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>> >     >> Dear Ishola Kabir,
>> >     >> I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not benefit AFRINIC for
>> >     the simple
>> >     >> reason that AFRINIC's resources are not enough for its region.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Regard,
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA
>> >     >> Webmaster i RENALA
>> >     >> R esearch and E ducation N etwork for A cademic and L earning A
>> >     ctivities
>> >     >> - [ http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ | http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ ]
>> >     >> Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la
>> Recherche
>> >     >> Scientifique - Fiadanana
>> >     >> GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29 | +261 (0) 34 30 680 29
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> De: "ishola kabir" <isholakabir at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
>> >     >> ?: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> >     >> Envoy?: Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58
>> >     >> Objet: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR
>> legacy
>> >     >> resources transfer.
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet
>> >     Registries
>> >     >> (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources as well. IPv4
>> >     inter-RIR
>> >     >> legacy resources from and to other regions will offer a realistic
>> >     solution
>> >     >> to the problem of reclaiming the significant amount of unused
>> IPV4
>> >     >> resources and allocating them to their most efficient users. The
>> >     transfer
>> >     >> will be subject to the need to main route aggregation and allow
>> >     resources
>> >     >> not in used in one region to be transferred to a region where it
>> >     is needed.
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only
>> >     push the
>> >     >> demand and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of resources
>> >     into
>> >     >> different channel such as the holder of this unused resources
>> will do
>> >     >> everything within their power for continued possession of this
>> >     resources
>> >     >> for purpose of black market, increase their value in an
>> acquisition.
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to
>> >     release
>> >     >> address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them to
>> >     another region
>> >     >> who wants them subject to the record keeping requirements and
>> >     regulation of
>> >     >> inter regional legacy instead of being hijacked or use without
>> >     >> authorization.
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >> It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be
>> >     very small
>> >     >> when compare to the potential benefit and this will also
>> reinforce
>> >     >> effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address Registries
>> >     in global
>> >     >> internet governance.
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
>> >     >>
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>> >     >> Message: 3
>> >     >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:19:24 +0200
>> >     >> From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za <mailto:mje at posix.co.za>>
>> >     >> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> >     >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>> >     >> Message-ID: <e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362 at posix.co.za
>> >     <mailto:e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362 at posix.co.za>>
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>> >     >>
>> >     >> IPv4 resources were never enough for the world (Four-ish billion
>> IP
>> >     >> addresses). That's why IPv6 was created. The other four RIR's
>> have
>> >     >> basically run out of IPv4 - which to an extent has forced them to
>> >     adopt
>> >     >> IPv6. In a perverse way - its actually bad for Africa to NOT
>> have run
>> >     >> out as we lazily continue to deploy IPv4 - last years technology
>> as
>> >     >> such.. Better to move straight to IPv6 before we are too weighed
>> >     down by
>> >     >> the legacy restrictiveness of IPv4 addresses.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Also - the Transfer Policy would generally need to be
>> >     bidirectional so
>> >     >> that other RIR regions will allow the transfer of IPv4 resources
>> into
>> >     >> Africa - that is, play on an equal footing - if indeed some of
>> the
>> >     >> larger African ISP's need to acquire more IPv4 addresses.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> If an African LIR/ISP does sell IPv4 resources to another region
>> then
>> >     >> the capitol will probably be used to expand that LIR's business -
>> >     >> presumably in an IPv6 direction - which would be beneficial to
>> that
>> >     >> LIR's customers and to an extent, the rest of our community.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> Just think, for the first time ever, we get to dump old
>> >     technology onto
>> >     >> "developed" countries rather than the other way around.
>> >     >>
>> >     >> On 2019/06/18 08:05, Pascal ANDRIANISA wrote:
>> >     >> > Dear Ishola Kabir, I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not
>> >     benefit
>> >     >> > AFRINIC for the simple reason that AFRINIC's resources are not
>> >     enough
>> >     >> > for its region. Regard,
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > *Pascal* Heriliva ANDRIANISA
>> >     >> > Webmaster i RENALA
>> >     >> > *R*esearch and *E*ducation *N*etwork for *A*cademic and
>> *L*earning
>> >     >> > *A*ctivities - http://www.irenala.edu.mg/
>> >     >> > Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la
>> >     Recherche
>> >     >> > Scientifique - Fiadanana_
>> >     >> > GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29?? |??? +261 (0) 34 30 680 29_
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> >
>> >
>>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >     >> > *De: *"ishola kabir" <isholakabir at gmail.com
>> >     <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
>> >     >> > *?: *rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> >     >> > *Envoy?: *Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58
>> >     >> > *Objet: *Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR
>> legacy
>> >     >> > resources transfer.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet
>> >     >> > Registries (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources
>> as
>> >     >> > well. IPv4 inter-RIR legacy resources from and to other regions
>> >     will
>> >     >> > offer a realistic solution to the problem of reclaiming the
>> >     >> > significant amount of unused IPV4 resources and allocating
>> them to
>> >     >> > their most efficient users. The transfer will be subject to the
>> >     need
>> >     >> > to main route aggregation and allow resources not in used in
>> one
>> >     >> > region to be transferred to a region where it is needed.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only
>> push
>> >     >> > the demand ?and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of
>> >     resources
>> >     >> > into different channel such as the holder of this unused
>> resources
>> >     >> > will do everything within their power for continued possession
>> >     of this
>> >     >> > resources for purpose of black market, increase their value in
>> an
>> >     >> > acquisition.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing
>> to
>> >     >> > release address resources to benefit monetarily by selling
>> them to
>> >     >> > another region who wants them subject to the record keeping
>> >     >> > requirements and regulation of inter regional legacy instead of
>> >     being
>> >     >> > hijacked or use without authorization.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> > It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be
>> very
>> >     >> > small when compare to the potential benefit and this will also
>> >     >> > reinforce effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address
>> >     >> > Registries in global internet governance.
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> >
>> >     >> >
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