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94cm4n .
ezekielj20 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 18 09:49:35 UTC 2019
Dear all,
The above policy I strongly support because unused resources cannot be left
dormant without use. Moreover, other RIR have all implemented this policy
and it will do us good as a community to have this policy approved before
we all leave Uganda.
Thanks for your understanding.
Jehovahseun Ezekiel ADEKANMI
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 12:46 PM 94cm4n ., <ezekielj20 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Dear all,
>
> The above policy I strongly support because unused resources cannot be
> left dormant without use. Moreover, other RIR have all implemented this
> policy and it will do us good as a community to have this policy approved
> before we all leave Uganda.
> Thanks for your understanding.
>
> On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 12:37 PM , <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:
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>> 1. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer (Frank Habicht)
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>> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:37:04 +0300
>> From: Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz>
>> To: rpd at afrinic.net
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
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>> I agree and support this policy.
>>
>> Frank Habicht
>>
>>
>> On 18/06/2019 12:23, Emem William wrote:
>> > Dear all,?
>> > Jordie and Mark has giving all the points. There is no need for me to
>> > repeat them.?
>> > Afrinic is the only region left out cos we are sometimes slow.
>> > I totally agree with this policy and I believe it should get approved
>> > here in Uganda.
>> > Thanks
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, 09:49 <rpd-request at afrinic.net
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>> > ? ?1. Re: inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs
>> > ? ? ? this policy now! (Pascal ANDRIANISA)
>> > ? ?2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (aleruchi chuku)
>> > ? ?3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Kris Seeburn)
>> > ? ?4. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
>> > ? ? ? (Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE)
>> >
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>> > Message: 1
>> > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:48:06 +0300 (EAT)
>> > From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
>> > <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
>> > To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es
>> > <mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>
>> > Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals -
>> AFRINIC
>> > ? ? ? ? needs this policy now!
>> > Message-ID:
>> > ? ? ? ?
>> > <2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg
>> > <mailto:
>> 2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg>>
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>> >
>> > Hi Jordi,
>> > I read the policy proposal for IPV4 Inter-RIR Transfert.? ?
>> > The article =>
>> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1#proposal
>> > ? I think this is not the benefit of AFRINIC as resources are
>> > currently insufficient for AFRINIC.
>> > Otherwise it is necessary to balance the transfers between RIR
>> > because at least the number of resources is limited to sending to
>> > other RIRs.
>> >
>> > I do not support this policy for this reason, The AFRINIC's
>> > resources are not enough for AFRICA, why transfer them elsewhere
>> ....
>> >
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>> > De: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> > ?: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> > Envoy?: Samedi 15 Juin 2019 13:23:23
>> > Objet: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC
>> > needs this policy now!
>> >
>> > Hi all,
>> >
>> > I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4
>> > Inter-RIR transfers.
>> >
>> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1
>> >
>> > and
>> >
>> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1
>> >
>> > I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If
>> > you're not in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely
>> > (https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely), so we
>> > can resolve any doubts on the spot.
>> >
>> > This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not
>> > allowing those transfers.
>> >
>> > AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in
>> > exhaustion phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to
>> > obtain IPv4. If transfers from other regions aren't allowed, this
>> > will be an added difficulty for the Internet growth in the region,
>> > and increase the difficulties for the continued IPv6 deployment.
>> >
>> > The region needs this policy *now*, because the implementation
>> > requires several months as there is a need to coordinate with the
>> > systems of the other RIRs, in order to ensure a transparent
>> > transfers process.
>> >
>> > So, what is your opinion?
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Jordi
>> > @jordipalet
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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>> > Message: 2
>> > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:41:32 +0000 (UTC)
>> > From: aleruchi chuku <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com
>> > <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>>
>> > To: "pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>"
>> > <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>,? ishola
>> kabir
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>> > Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net
>> > <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>> > Message-ID: <820859170.2990967.1560847292489 at mail.yahoo.com
>> > <mailto:820859170.2990967.1560847292489 at mail.yahoo.com>>
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>> > If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be nothing
>> > to transfere....would there?
>> > But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming
>> > "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be
>> > able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve
>> > from them.
>> > Aleruchi
>> >
>> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>> > ? On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal
>> > ANDRIANISA<pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
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>> > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:44:56 +0400
>> > From: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com
>> >>
>> > To: "aleruchichuku at yahoo.com <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>"
>> > <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>>
>> > Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net
>> > <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>, ishola kabir
>> > ? ? ? ? <isholakabir at gmail.com <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>> > Message-ID: <CFC03DF5-3CAE-492E-83F5-88BA46719F7D at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:CFC03DF5-3CAE-492E-83F5-88BA46719F7D at gmail.com>>
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>> > That is a thought of sense. If we do that we equate and live another
>> > day as we say. Yes old it will be and pushing to be at par with
>> > others is the way through
>> >
>> > > On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:41, aleruchi chuku via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net
>> > <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be
>> > nothing to transfere....would there?
>> > >
>> > > But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming
>> > "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be
>> > able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve
>> > from them.
>> > >
>> > > Aleruchi
>> > >
>> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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>> > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal ANDRIANISA
>> > > <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>> wrote:
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>> > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:43:58 +0100
>> > From: Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng
>> > <mailto:elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng>>
>> > To: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>>
>> > Cc: "AfriNIC RPD MList." <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
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>> > <CAEsR0rUKoKOH=ku-qHHo7ShWymOHzX_dE4r80DF=nqcP2ciFJQ at mail.gmail.com
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>> > I agree with you perfectly.
>> >
>> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:05 AM Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>> wrote:
>> >
>> > > I?ll second and if not support that resources be used than kept
>> in the
>> > > coffer. If the coffer generated some interest I would see no issue
>> > but our
>> > > existence is also trying to find a stability between all the RIRs
>> and
>> > > resources needs to be used for continuous existence and
>> sustainability
>> > >
>> > > On 18 Jun 2019, at 11:53, Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <
>> > > elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Dear All,
>> > > Thank you Mark Elkins for those wonderful points, I do not
>> > understand why
>> > > we should continue to keep the resources when they can easily be
>> > utilized.
>> > >
>> > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:21 AM <rpd-request at afrinic.net
>> > <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>> > >
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>> > >> Today's Topics:
>> > >>
>> > >>? ? 1. Re: Nomcom feedback to PDWG (Owen DeLong)
>> > >>? ? 2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Pascal
>> > ANDRIANISA)
>> > >>? ? 3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Mark Elkins)
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
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>> > >> Message: 1
>> > >> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 23:19:55 +0300
>> > >> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
>> > >> To: Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest at afrinic.net
>> > <mailto:ernest at afrinic.net>>
>> > >> Cc: 2019 NomCom <nomcom2019 at afrinic.net
>> > <mailto:nomcom2019 at afrinic.net>>, rpd at afrinic.net
>> > <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG
>> > >> Message-ID: <F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B at delong.com
>> > <mailto:F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B at delong.com>>
>> > >> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? ?charset=utf-8
>> > >>
>> > >> Ernest, as I understand the PDP and the bylaws, the only
>> > appropriate way
>> > >> to implement the output of that committee would be for the
>> > committee to
>> > >> write up one or more policy proposals to codify then into the PDP
>> > and have
>> > >> the community come to consensus on them.
>> > >>
>> > >> Failing that, they are an ex party change to the PDP in violation
>> > of the
>> > >> PDP and the bylaws. While I agree with most of the
>> > recommendations on that
>> > >> page, we must above all preserve the integrity of the process and
>> > therefore
>> > >> follow the rules when we seek to amend the process.
>> > >>
>> > >> Owen
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> > On Jun 17, 2019, at 17:08, Ernest Byaruhanga
>> > <ernest at afrinic.net <mailto:ernest at afrinic.net>>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Owen,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > An update to the PDWG co-chair election process was produced
>> by an
>> > >> elections process review committee instituted by the CEO and
>> > shared with
>> > >> the community for comments and feedback, sometime in 2012:
>> > >> >
>> > >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2012/002145.html
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Unfortunately we are not able to download or locate the
>> > original copy,
>> > >> but the adopted document used in 2013 included the requirement
>> > that those
>> > >> voting should be residing within the AFRINIC region.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > The elections committee has however never enforced this
>> requirement
>> > >> despite its presence in the elections guideline, which was
>> > presumably an
>> > >> output of that review committee based on comments and feedback
>> > consequent
>> > >> to the call for comments.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > The elections committee will therefore not be enforcing this
>> > >> requirement in the coming election based on precedent.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > On the issue of remote participants voting, we have not
>> > provided for
>> > >> this before, and unfortunately not at the upcoming election.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > We welcome and will include the community?s feedback towards
>> > improving
>> > >> the current election processes.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Ernest.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >> On 16 Jun 2019, at 09:08, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com
>> > <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I have some questions about the conduct of this election.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> First, I would think that the controlling document would be
>> > the CPM
>> > >> and not some random webpage of unknown origin.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Thus, I suggest that the rules (such as they are) are outlined
>> > in CPM
>> > >> section 3 and that where the following page:
>> > >> >>? ?
>> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Conflicts or provides additional restrictions, the CPM should
>> be
>> > >> controlling and additional restrictions specified there are not
>> > valid.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> I have not yet seen anyone answer Dewole?s earlier question
>> about
>> > >> where this procedure came from and how it was deployed without
>> > community
>> > >> involvement or consensus.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Amending the election procedure (or even making it more
>> specific)
>> > >> should be done through modification of the PDP via the PDP.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> It certainly should not be done ad hoc by AfriNIC staff, the
>> > board, or
>> > >> whoever else produced that page.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> For example, it has never previously been the practice that
>> > one must
>> > >> reside in a country within AfriNIC region in order to vote for
>> PDWG
>> > >> co-chair, nor should it be. AfriNIC policies affect those outside
>> > of the
>> > >> region as well as those within the region and there are a
>> significant
>> > >> number of people active in the PDWG that do not live within the
>> > region,
>> > >> myself included.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> No RIR that I know of restricts voting for PDWG co-chairs (or
>> > >> equivalent) to those residing in the region.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Then there is the question of remote participants voting.
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> The CPM section 3.3 is silent on this matter for a normal
>> > election, so
>> > >> that leaves an open question.
>> > >> >> However,
>> > https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
>> > >> states that you must be physically present in the room and must
>> > have a
>> > >> badge showing that you have registered (assuming that they sort
>> > out the
>> > >> irregularities with badge printing).
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Can we please get some clarification on the procedure for this
>> > >> election at least 24 hours before the voting starts?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Thanks,
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> Owen
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:51 AM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng
>> > <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> wrote:
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on
>> > conduct of
>> > >> PDWG elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election
>> > process somehow
>> > >> seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please clarify how
>> > we came
>> > >> about the detailed election notes outlined at
>> > >> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election ?
>> > This is
>> > >> bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via the
>> PDP.
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> My suggestion about giving the working group the option of
>> > retaining
>> > >> the current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving
>> > after the
>> > >> same meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working
>> group
>> > >> members present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair)
>> > the option
>> > >> of rejecting the default seat retention.
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the
>> NomCom
>> > >> asking us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections
>> > Committee
>> > >> to tell us how they intend to handle this.
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> Regards,
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>> Dewole.
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>
>> > >> >>>> On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:
>> > >> >>>> I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is
>> > qualify to
>> > >> be voted and how our elections should be conducted. I hope we not
>> > trying to
>> > >> define new rules here.
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless
>> > should be
>> > >> given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing anyone
>> > giving
>> > >> any special consideration.
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> In particular I believe that all the candidates that are
>> > >> volunteering, could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the
>> > PWDG. So
>> > >> let us not disadvantage anyone.
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> So far NomCom have shown commitment to? a fair process and
>> > >> maintaining that going forward will be important.
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>> Simply,
>> > >> >>>> Danile
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>
>> > >> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao
>> > <dewole at forum.org.ng <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I
>> > shared
>> > >> earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start of
>> > the policy
>> > >> day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the day. Holding
>> the
>> > >> election before the open mic will allow working group members
>> > also provide
>> > >> feedback on the process during the open mic.
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> The contents of
>> > >> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019
>> remain
>> > >> unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we should
>> > wait for
>> > >> NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair candidates are
>> > (before we
>> > >> start the questioning)? For future PDWG elections, the questions
>> > could be
>> > >> included as part of the information to provide during the
>> nominations
>> > >> stage. Or maybe some have already been asked by NomCom and the
>> > candidates
>> > >> only need to decide what they wish to share with us.
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has
>> > a plan
>> > >> for incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect
>> to
>> > >> participate in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>> Regards,
>> > >> >>>>> Dewole.
>> > >> >>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>> Hi Dewole, all,
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to
>> > keep
>> > >> continuity of the existing co-chairs.
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be
>> > good to
>> > >> consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so even
>> > if the
>> > >> election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP
>> > discussion time
>> > >> is respected.
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one
>> > year, or
>> > >> how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair
>> > >> candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful
>> > knowledge
>> > >> by the community to whom they are electing. This is not about
>> > electing
>> > >> "your best friend for driving a party", but the people that
>> > better knows
>> > >> the PDP and has already been following it.
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since
>> > when
>> > >> they have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have contributed
>> > in the
>> > >> discussions in the list and meetings, or even with policy
>> > proposals. How
>> > >> the candidates are going to support the PDP, increase community
>> > >> participation, etc. Also, we need to understand if they have
>> actively
>> > >> supported or non-supported any of the actual policy proposals, so
>> > we can
>> > >> avoid electing two chairs that may have a bias on the same policy
>> > proposal.
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> Reading the actual CVs at
>> > >> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019,
>> I
>> > don't
>> > >> think all the candidates have that information right now.
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with
>> verified
>> > >> responses to some extent) those questions for each of the
>> > candidate and
>> > >> publish it together with the CVs ?
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>> Regards,
>> > >> >>>>>> Jordi
>> > >> >>>>>> ?El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng
>> > <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> escribi?:
>> > >> >>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for
>> the
>> > >> Nomination
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the
>> > final
>> > >> slate of
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? candidates after their considerations have been done.
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Elections Committee should at this point also
>> > state how
>> > >> the seats would
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There
>> > have been
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to
>> > sort them
>> > >> out now
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of
>> > hands to
>> > >> see if the
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? working group is in support of Sami retaining his
>> seat. If
>> > >> majority in
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the
>> > election is
>> > >> for one
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates
>> has the
>> > >> maximum votes.
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour
>> of
>> > >> current co-chair
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? taking a seat by default, then second round of voting
>> > can be
>> > >> for 2 seats
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? possibly using the option of higher votes getting the
>> > longer
>> > >> term.
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Again, this is just my point of view.
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Regards,
>> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Dewole.
>> > >> >>>>>>>? ? ? ? ?On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>> Hi Serge,
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>>> On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
>> > >> >>>>>>>> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of the
>> > persons
>> > >> who
>> > >> >>>>>>>> submitted their documentation.? The Nomination Committee
>> > Chair
>> > >> contacted
>> > >> >>>>>>>> each nominee to notify him/her of the decision.
>> > >> >>>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> Is this particular update referring to all the nominees,
>> > nominees
>> > >> that
>> > >> >>>>>>> complained or only nominees that remained after the
>> > NomCom filter.
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> The text "persons who submitted their documentation"
>> > requires more
>> > >> >>>>>>> clarity IMHO.
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> Regards,
>> > >> >>>>>>>
>> > >> >>>>>>> Ish Sookun
>> > >> >>>>>>>
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>> > >> Message: 2
>> > >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:05:12 +0300 (EAT)
>> > >> From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
>> > <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
>> > >> To: ishola kabir <isholakabir at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
>> > >> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>> > >> Message-ID:
>> > >>? ? ? ?
>> > ?<1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edumg
>> > <mailto:
>> 1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg>>
>> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>> > >>
>> > >> Dear Ishola Kabir,
>> > >> I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not benefit AFRINIC for
>> > the simple
>> > >> reason that AFRINIC's resources are not enough for its region.
>> > >>
>> > >> Regard,
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA
>> > >> Webmaster i RENALA
>> > >> R esearch and E ducation N etwork for A cademic and L earning A
>> > ctivities
>> > >> - [ http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ | http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ ]
>> > >> Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la
>> Recherche
>> > >> Scientifique - Fiadanana
>> > >> GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29 | +261 (0) 34 30 680 29
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> De: "ishola kabir" <isholakabir at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
>> > >> ?: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> > >> Envoy?: Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58
>> > >> Objet: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR
>> legacy
>> > >> resources transfer.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet
>> > Registries
>> > >> (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources as well. IPv4
>> > inter-RIR
>> > >> legacy resources from and to other regions will offer a realistic
>> > solution
>> > >> to the problem of reclaiming the significant amount of unused
>> IPV4
>> > >> resources and allocating them to their most efficient users. The
>> > transfer
>> > >> will be subject to the need to main route aggregation and allow
>> > resources
>> > >> not in used in one region to be transferred to a region where it
>> > is needed.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only
>> > push the
>> > >> demand and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of resources
>> > into
>> > >> different channel such as the holder of this unused resources
>> will do
>> > >> everything within their power for continued possession of this
>> > resources
>> > >> for purpose of black market, increase their value in an
>> acquisition.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to
>> > release
>> > >> address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them to
>> > another region
>> > >> who wants them subject to the record keeping requirements and
>> > regulation of
>> > >> inter regional legacy instead of being hijacked or use without
>> > >> authorization.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be
>> > very small
>> > >> when compare to the potential benefit and this will also
>> reinforce
>> > >> effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address Registries
>> > in global
>> > >> internet governance.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >> _______________________________________________
>> > >> RPD mailing list
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>> > >> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
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>> > >>
>> > >> Message: 3
>> > >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:19:24 +0200
>> > >> From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za <mailto:mje at posix.co.za>>
>> > >> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>> > >> Message-ID: <e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362 at posix.co.za
>> > <mailto:e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362 at posix.co.za>>
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>> > >>
>> > >> IPv4 resources were never enough for the world (Four-ish billion
>> IP
>> > >> addresses). That's why IPv6 was created. The other four RIR's
>> have
>> > >> basically run out of IPv4 - which to an extent has forced them to
>> > adopt
>> > >> IPv6. In a perverse way - its actually bad for Africa to NOT
>> have run
>> > >> out as we lazily continue to deploy IPv4 - last years technology
>> as
>> > >> such.. Better to move straight to IPv6 before we are too weighed
>> > down by
>> > >> the legacy restrictiveness of IPv4 addresses.
>> > >>
>> > >> Also - the Transfer Policy would generally need to be
>> > bidirectional so
>> > >> that other RIR regions will allow the transfer of IPv4 resources
>> into
>> > >> Africa - that is, play on an equal footing - if indeed some of
>> the
>> > >> larger African ISP's need to acquire more IPv4 addresses.
>> > >>
>> > >> If an African LIR/ISP does sell IPv4 resources to another region
>> then
>> > >> the capitol will probably be used to expand that LIR's business -
>> > >> presumably in an IPv6 direction - which would be beneficial to
>> that
>> > >> LIR's customers and to an extent, the rest of our community.
>> > >>
>> > >> Just think, for the first time ever, we get to dump old
>> > technology onto
>> > >> "developed" countries rather than the other way around.
>> > >>
>> > >> On 2019/06/18 08:05, Pascal ANDRIANISA wrote:
>> > >> > Dear Ishola Kabir, I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not
>> > benefit
>> > >> > AFRINIC for the simple reason that AFRINIC's resources are not
>> > enough
>> > >> > for its region. Regard,
>> > >> >
>> > >> > *Pascal* Heriliva ANDRIANISA
>> > >> > Webmaster i RENALA
>> > >> > *R*esearch and *E*ducation *N*etwork for *A*cademic and
>> *L*earning
>> > >> > *A*ctivities - http://www.irenala.edu.mg/
>> > >> > Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la
>> > Recherche
>> > >> > Scientifique - Fiadanana_
>> > >> > GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29?? |??? +261 (0) 34 30 680 29_
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> >
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> > >> > *De: *"ishola kabir" <isholakabir at gmail.com
>> > <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
>> > >> > *?: *rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> > >> > *Envoy?: *Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58
>> > >> > *Objet: *Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> > I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR
>> legacy
>> > >> > resources transfer.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet
>> > >> > Registries (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources
>> as
>> > >> > well. IPv4 inter-RIR legacy resources from and to other regions
>> > will
>> > >> > offer a realistic solution to the problem of reclaiming the
>> > >> > significant amount of unused IPV4 resources and allocating
>> them to
>> > >> > their most efficient users. The transfer will be subject to the
>> > need
>> > >> > to main route aggregation and allow resources not in used in
>> one
>> > >> > region to be transferred to a region where it is needed.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only
>> push
>> > >> > the demand ?and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of
>> > resources
>> > >> > into different channel such as the holder of this unused
>> resources
>> > >> > will do everything within their power for continued possession
>> > of this
>> > >> > resources for purpose of black market, increase their value in
>> an
>> > >> > acquisition.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing
>> to
>> > >> > release address resources to benefit monetarily by selling
>> them to
>> > >> > another region who wants them subject to the record keeping
>> > >> > requirements and regulation of inter regional legacy instead of
>> > being
>> > >> > hijacked or use without authorization.
>> > >> >
>> > >> > It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be
>> very
>> > >> > small when compare to the potential benefit and this will also
>> > >> > reinforce effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address
>> > >> > Registries in global internet governance.
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
>> > >> >
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