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94cm4n . ezekielj20 at gmail.com
Tue Jun 18 09:46:53 UTC 2019


Dear all,

The above policy I strongly support because unused resources cannot be left
dormant without use. Moreover, other RIR have all implemented this policy
and it will do us good as a community to have this policy approved before
we all leave Uganda.
Thanks for your understanding.

On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 12:37 PM , <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:

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> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:37:04 +0300
> From: Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz>
> To: rpd at afrinic.net
> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
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> I agree and support this policy.
>
> Frank Habicht
>
>
> On 18/06/2019 12:23, Emem William wrote:
> > Dear all,?
> > Jordie and Mark has giving all the points. There is no need for me to
> > repeat them.?
> > Afrinic is the only region left out cos we are sometimes slow.
> > I totally agree with this policy and I believe it should get approved
> > here in Uganda.
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, 09:49 <rpd-request at afrinic.net
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> >     ? ?1. Re: inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs
> >     ? ? ? this policy now! (Pascal ANDRIANISA)
> >     ? ?2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (aleruchi chuku)
> >     ? ?3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Kris Seeburn)
> >     ? ?4. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
> >     ? ? ? (Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE)
> >
> >
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> >     Message: 1
> >     Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:48:06 +0300 (EAT)
> >     From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
> >     <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
> >     To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es
> >     <mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>
> >     Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> >     Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals -
> AFRINIC
> >     ? ? ? ? needs this policy now!
> >     Message-ID:
> >     ? ? ? ?
> >     <2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg
> >     <mailto:
> 2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg>>
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> >     Hi Jordi,
> >     I read the policy proposal for IPV4 Inter-RIR Transfert.? ?
> >     The article =>
> >     https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1#proposal
> >     ? I think this is not the benefit of AFRINIC as resources are
> >     currently insufficient for AFRINIC.
> >     Otherwise it is necessary to balance the transfers between RIR
> >     because at least the number of resources is limited to sending to
> >     other RIRs.
> >
> >     I do not support this policy for this reason, The AFRINIC's
> >     resources are not enough for AFRICA, why transfer them elsewhere ....
> >
> >     Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA
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> >     De: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> >     ?: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> >     Envoy?: Samedi 15 Juin 2019 13:23:23
> >     Objet: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC
> >     needs this policy now!
> >
> >     Hi all,
> >
> >     I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4
> >     Inter-RIR transfers.
> >
> >     https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1
> >
> >     and
> >
> >     https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1
> >
> >     I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If
> >     you're not in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely
> >     (https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely), so we
> >     can resolve any doubts on the spot.
> >
> >     This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not
> >     allowing those transfers.
> >
> >     AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in
> >     exhaustion phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to
> >     obtain IPv4. If transfers from other regions aren't allowed, this
> >     will be an added difficulty for the Internet growth in the region,
> >     and increase the difficulties for the continued IPv6 deployment.
> >
> >     The region needs this policy *now*, because the implementation
> >     requires several months as there is a need to coordinate with the
> >     systems of the other RIRs, in order to ensure a transparent
> >     transfers process.
> >
> >     So, what is your opinion?
> >
> >     Regards,
> >     Jordi
> >     @jordipalet
> >
> >
> >
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> >     Message: 2
> >     Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:41:32 +0000 (UTC)
> >     From: aleruchi chuku <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com
> >     <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>>
> >     To: "pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>"
> >     <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>,? ishola
> kabir
> >     ? ? ? ? <isholakabir at gmail.com <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
> >     Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net
> >     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> >     Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> >     Message-ID: <820859170.2990967.1560847292489 at mail.yahoo.com
> >     <mailto:820859170.2990967.1560847292489 at mail.yahoo.com>>
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> >     If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be nothing
> >     to transfere....would there?
> >     But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming
> >     "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be
> >     able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve
> >     from them.
> >     Aleruchi
> >
> >     Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> >     ? On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal
> >     ANDRIANISA<pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
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> >     Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:44:56 +0400
> >     From: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com
> >>
> >     To: "aleruchichuku at yahoo.com <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>"
> >     <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>>
> >     Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net
> >     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>, ishola kabir
> >     ? ? ? ? <isholakabir at gmail.com <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
> >     Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> >     Message-ID: <CFC03DF5-3CAE-492E-83F5-88BA46719F7D at gmail.com
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> >     That is a thought of sense. If we do that we equate and live another
> >     day as we say. Yes old it will be and pushing to be at par with
> >     others is the way through
> >
> >     > On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:41, aleruchi chuku via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net
> >     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be
> >     nothing to transfere....would there?
> >     >
> >     > But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming
> >     "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be
> >     able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve
> >     from them.
> >     >
> >     > Aleruchi
> >     >
> >     > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >     <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
> >     > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal ANDRIANISA
> >     > <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>> wrote:
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> >     Message: 4
> >     Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:43:58 +0100
> >     From: Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng
> >     <mailto:elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng>>
> >     To: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>>
> >     Cc: "AfriNIC RPD MList." <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> >     Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
> >     Message-ID:
> >     ? ? ? ?
> >     <CAEsR0rUKoKOH=ku-qHHo7ShWymOHzX_dE4r80DF=nqcP2ciFJQ at mail.gmail.com
> >     <mailto:nqcP2ciFJQ at mail.gmail.com>>
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> >     I agree with you perfectly.
> >
> >     On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:05 AM Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> >     > I?ll second and if not support that resources be used than kept in
> the
> >     > coffer. If the coffer generated some interest I would see no issue
> >     but our
> >     > existence is also trying to find a stability between all the RIRs
> and
> >     > resources needs to be used for continuous existence and
> sustainability
> >     >
> >     > On 18 Jun 2019, at 11:53, Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <
> >     > elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > Dear All,
> >     > Thank you Mark Elkins for those wonderful points, I do not
> >     understand why
> >     > we should continue to keep the resources when they can easily be
> >     utilized.
> >     >
> >     > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:21 AM <rpd-request at afrinic.net
> >     <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> wrote:
> >     >
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> >     >>? ? 1. Re: Nomcom feedback to PDWG (Owen DeLong)
> >     >>? ? 2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Pascal
> >     ANDRIANISA)
> >     >>? ? 3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Mark Elkins)
> >     >>
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> >     >> Message: 1
> >     >> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 23:19:55 +0300
> >     >> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
> >     >> To: Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest at afrinic.net
> >     <mailto:ernest at afrinic.net>>
> >     >> Cc: 2019 NomCom <nomcom2019 at afrinic.net
> >     <mailto:nomcom2019 at afrinic.net>>, rpd at afrinic.net
> >     <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> >     >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG
> >     >> Message-ID: <F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B at delong.com
> >     <mailto:F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B at delong.com>>
> >     >> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? ?charset=utf-8
> >     >>
> >     >> Ernest, as I understand the PDP and the bylaws, the only
> >     appropriate way
> >     >> to implement the output of that committee would be for the
> >     committee to
> >     >> write up one or more policy proposals to codify then into the PDP
> >     and have
> >     >> the community come to consensus on them.
> >     >>
> >     >> Failing that, they are an ex party change to the PDP in violation
> >     of the
> >     >> PDP and the bylaws. While I agree with most of the
> >     recommendations on that
> >     >> page, we must above all preserve the integrity of the process and
> >     therefore
> >     >> follow the rules when we seek to amend the process.
> >     >>
> >     >> Owen
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> > On Jun 17, 2019, at 17:08, Ernest Byaruhanga
> >     <ernest at afrinic.net <mailto:ernest at afrinic.net>>
> >     >> wrote:
> >     >> >
> >     >> > Owen,
> >     >> >
> >     >> > An update to the PDWG co-chair election process was produced by
> an
> >     >> elections process review committee instituted by the CEO and
> >     shared with
> >     >> the community for comments and feedback, sometime in 2012:
> >     >> >
> >     >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2012/002145.html
> >     >> >
> >     >> > Unfortunately we are not able to download or locate the
> >     original copy,
> >     >> but the adopted document used in 2013 included the requirement
> >     that those
> >     >> voting should be residing within the AFRINIC region.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > The elections committee has however never enforced this
> requirement
> >     >> despite its presence in the elections guideline, which was
> >     presumably an
> >     >> output of that review committee based on comments and feedback
> >     consequent
> >     >> to the call for comments.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > The elections committee will therefore not be enforcing this
> >     >> requirement in the coming election based on precedent.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > On the issue of remote participants voting, we have not
> >     provided for
> >     >> this before, and unfortunately not at the upcoming election.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > We welcome and will include the community?s feedback towards
> >     improving
> >     >> the current election processes.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > Ernest.
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >> On 16 Jun 2019, at 09:08, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com
> >     <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> I have some questions about the conduct of this election.
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> First, I would think that the controlling document would be
> >     the CPM
> >     >> and not some random webpage of unknown origin.
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> Thus, I suggest that the rules (such as they are) are outlined
> >     in CPM
> >     >> section 3 and that where the following page:
> >     >> >>? ?
> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> Conflicts or provides additional restrictions, the CPM should
> be
> >     >> controlling and additional restrictions specified there are not
> >     valid.
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> I have not yet seen anyone answer Dewole?s earlier question
> about
> >     >> where this procedure came from and how it was deployed without
> >     community
> >     >> involvement or consensus.
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> Amending the election procedure (or even making it more
> specific)
> >     >> should be done through modification of the PDP via the PDP.
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> It certainly should not be done ad hoc by AfriNIC staff, the
> >     board, or
> >     >> whoever else produced that page.
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> For example, it has never previously been the practice that
> >     one must
> >     >> reside in a country within AfriNIC region in order to vote for
> PDWG
> >     >> co-chair, nor should it be. AfriNIC policies affect those outside
> >     of the
> >     >> region as well as those within the region and there are a
> significant
> >     >> number of people active in the PDWG that do not live within the
> >     region,
> >     >> myself included.
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> No RIR that I know of restricts voting for PDWG co-chairs (or
> >     >> equivalent) to those residing in the region.
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> Then there is the question of remote participants voting.
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> The CPM section 3.3 is silent on this matter for a normal
> >     election, so
> >     >> that leaves an open question.
> >     >> >> However,
> >     https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
> >     >> states that you must be physically present in the room and must
> >     have a
> >     >> badge showing that you have registered (assuming that they sort
> >     out the
> >     >> irregularities with badge printing).
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> Can we please get some clarification on the procedure for this
> >     >> election at least 24 hours before the voting starts?
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> Thanks,
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >> Owen
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >>
> >     >> >>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:51 AM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng
> >     <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> wrote:
> >     >> >>>
> >     >> >>> I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on
> >     conduct of
> >     >> PDWG elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election
> >     process somehow
> >     >> seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please clarify how
> >     we came
> >     >> about the detailed election notes outlined at
> >     >> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election ?
> >     This is
> >     >> bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via the
> PDP.
> >     >> >>>
> >     >> >>> My suggestion about giving the working group the option of
> >     retaining
> >     >> the current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving
> >     after the
> >     >> same meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working
> group
> >     >> members present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair)
> >     the option
> >     >> of rejecting the default seat retention.
> >     >> >>>
> >     >> >>> In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the
> NomCom
> >     >> asking us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections
> >     Committee
> >     >> to tell us how they intend to handle this.
> >     >> >>>
> >     >> >>> Regards,
> >     >> >>>
> >     >> >>> Dewole.
> >     >> >>>
> >     >> >>>
> >     >> >>>
> >     >> >>>
> >     >> >>>> On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:
> >     >> >>>> I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is
> >     qualify to
> >     >> be voted and how our elections should be conducted. I hope we not
> >     trying to
> >     >> define new rules here.
> >     >> >>>>
> >     >> >>>> We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless
> >     should be
> >     >> given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing anyone
> >     giving
> >     >> any special consideration.
> >     >> >>>>
> >     >> >>>> In particular I believe that all the candidates that are
> >     >> volunteering, could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the
> >     PWDG. So
> >     >> let us not disadvantage anyone.
> >     >> >>>>
> >     >> >>>> So far NomCom have shown commitment to? a fair process and
> >     >> maintaining that going forward will be important.
> >     >> >>>>
> >     >> >>>> Simply,
> >     >> >>>> Danile
> >     >> >>>>
> >     >> >>>>
> >     >> >>>>
> >     >> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao
> >     <dewole at forum.org.ng <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>>
> >     >> wrote:
> >     >> >>>>>
> >     >> >>>>> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I
> >     shared
> >     >> earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start of
> >     the policy
> >     >> day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the day. Holding
> the
> >     >> election before the open mic will allow working group members
> >     also provide
> >     >> feedback on the process during the open mic.
> >     >> >>>>>
> >     >> >>>>> The contents of
> >     >> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019
> remain
> >     >> unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we should
> >     wait for
> >     >> NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair candidates are
> >     (before we
> >     >> start the questioning)? For future PDWG elections, the questions
> >     could be
> >     >> included as part of the information to provide during the
> nominations
> >     >> stage. Or maybe some have already been asked by NomCom and the
> >     candidates
> >     >> only need to decide what they wish to share with us.
> >     >> >>>>>
> >     >> >>>>> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has
> >     a plan
> >     >> for incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect to
> >     >> participate in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.
> >     >> >>>>>
> >     >> >>>>> Regards,
> >     >> >>>>> Dewole.
> >     >> >>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> >     >> >>>>>> Hi Dewole, all,
> >     >> >>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to
> >     keep
> >     >> continuity of the existing co-chairs.
> >     >> >>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be
> >     good to
> >     >> consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so even
> >     if the
> >     >> election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP
> >     discussion time
> >     >> is respected.
> >     >> >>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one
> >     year, or
> >     >> how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?
> >     >> >>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair
> >     >> candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful
> >     knowledge
> >     >> by the community to whom they are electing. This is not about
> >     electing
> >     >> "your best friend for driving a party", but the people that
> >     better knows
> >     >> the PDP and has already been following it.
> >     >> >>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since
> >     when
> >     >> they have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have contributed
> >     in the
> >     >> discussions in the list and meetings, or even with policy
> >     proposals. How
> >     >> the candidates are going to support the PDP, increase community
> >     >> participation, etc. Also, we need to understand if they have
> actively
> >     >> supported or non-supported any of the actual policy proposals, so
> >     we can
> >     >> avoid electing two chairs that may have a bias on the same policy
> >     proposal.
> >     >> >>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>> Reading the actual CVs at
> >     >> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019, I
> >     don't
> >     >> think all the candidates have that information right now.
> >     >> >>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with
> verified
> >     >> responses to some extent) those questions for each of the
> >     candidate and
> >     >> publish it together with the CVs ?
> >     >> >>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>> Regards,
> >     >> >>>>>> Jordi
> >     >> >>>>>> ?El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng
> >     <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> escribi?:
> >     >> >>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for
> the
> >     >> Nomination
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the
> >     final
> >     >> slate of
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? candidates after their considerations have been done.
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Elections Committee should at this point also
> >     state how
> >     >> the seats would
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There
> >     have been
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to
> >     sort them
> >     >> out now
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of
> >     hands to
> >     >> see if the
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? working group is in support of Sami retaining his seat.
> If
> >     >> majority in
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the
> >     election is
> >     >> for one
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates has
> the
> >     >> maximum votes.
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour
> of
> >     >> current co-chair
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? taking a seat by default, then second round of voting
> >     can be
> >     >> for 2 seats
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? possibly using the option of higher votes getting the
> >     longer
> >     >> term.
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Again, this is just my point of view.
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Regards,
> >     >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Dewole.
> >     >> >>>>>>>? ? ? ? ?On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
> >     >> >>>>>>> Hi Serge,
> >     >> >>>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>>>> On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
> >     >> >>>>>>>> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of the
> >     persons
> >     >> who
> >     >> >>>>>>>> submitted their documentation.? The Nomination Committee
> >     Chair
> >     >> contacted
> >     >> >>>>>>>> each nominee to notify him/her of the decision.
> >     >> >>>>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>>> Is this particular update referring to all the nominees,
> >     nominees
> >     >> that
> >     >> >>>>>>> complained or only nominees that remained after the
> >     NomCom filter.
> >     >> >>>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>>> The text "persons who submitted their documentation"
> >     requires more
> >     >> >>>>>>> clarity IMHO.
> >     >> >>>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>>> Regards,
> >     >> >>>>>>>
> >     >> >>>>>>> Ish Sookun
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> >     >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:05:12 +0300 (EAT)
> >     >> From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
> >     <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
> >     >> To: ishola kabir <isholakabir at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
> >     >> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> >     >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> >     >> Message-ID:
> >     >>? ? ? ?
> >     ?<1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edumg
> >     <mailto:
> 1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg>>
> >     >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> >     >>
> >     >> Dear Ishola Kabir,
> >     >> I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not benefit AFRINIC for
> >     the simple
> >     >> reason that AFRINIC's resources are not enough for its region.
> >     >>
> >     >> Regard,
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA
> >     >> Webmaster i RENALA
> >     >> R esearch and E ducation N etwork for A cademic and L earning A
> >     ctivities
> >     >> - [ http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ | http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ ]
> >     >> Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la
> Recherche
> >     >> Scientifique - Fiadanana
> >     >> GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29 | +261 (0) 34 30 680 29
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> De: "ishola kabir" <isholakabir at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
> >     >> ?: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> >     >> Envoy?: Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58
> >     >> Objet: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR legacy
> >     >> resources transfer.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet
> >     Registries
> >     >> (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources as well. IPv4
> >     inter-RIR
> >     >> legacy resources from and to other regions will offer a realistic
> >     solution
> >     >> to the problem of reclaiming the significant amount of unused IPV4
> >     >> resources and allocating them to their most efficient users. The
> >     transfer
> >     >> will be subject to the need to main route aggregation and allow
> >     resources
> >     >> not in used in one region to be transferred to a region where it
> >     is needed.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only
> >     push the
> >     >> demand and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of resources
> >     into
> >     >> different channel such as the holder of this unused resources
> will do
> >     >> everything within their power for continued possession of this
> >     resources
> >     >> for purpose of black market, increase their value in an
> acquisition.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to
> >     release
> >     >> address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them to
> >     another region
> >     >> who wants them subject to the record keeping requirements and
> >     regulation of
> >     >> inter regional legacy instead of being hijacked or use without
> >     >> authorization.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >> It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be
> >     very small
> >     >> when compare to the potential benefit and this will also reinforce
> >     >> effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address Registries
> >     in global
> >     >> internet governance.
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
> >     >>
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> >     >> Message: 3
> >     >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:19:24 +0200
> >     >> From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za <mailto:mje at posix.co.za>>
> >     >> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> >     >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> >     >> Message-ID: <e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362 at posix.co.za
> >     <mailto:e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362 at posix.co.za>>
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> >     >>
> >     >> IPv4 resources were never enough for the world (Four-ish billion
> IP
> >     >> addresses). That's why IPv6 was created. The other four RIR's have
> >     >> basically run out of IPv4 - which to an extent has forced them to
> >     adopt
> >     >> IPv6. In a perverse way - its actually bad for Africa to NOT have
> run
> >     >> out as we lazily continue to deploy IPv4 - last years technology
> as
> >     >> such.. Better to move straight to IPv6 before we are too weighed
> >     down by
> >     >> the legacy restrictiveness of IPv4 addresses.
> >     >>
> >     >> Also - the Transfer Policy would generally need to be
> >     bidirectional so
> >     >> that other RIR regions will allow the transfer of IPv4 resources
> into
> >     >> Africa - that is, play on an equal footing - if indeed some of the
> >     >> larger African ISP's need to acquire more IPv4 addresses.
> >     >>
> >     >> If an African LIR/ISP does sell IPv4 resources to another region
> then
> >     >> the capitol will probably be used to expand that LIR's business -
> >     >> presumably in an IPv6 direction - which would be beneficial to
> that
> >     >> LIR's customers and to an extent, the rest of our community.
> >     >>
> >     >> Just think, for the first time ever, we get to dump old
> >     technology onto
> >     >> "developed" countries rather than the other way around.
> >     >>
> >     >> On 2019/06/18 08:05, Pascal ANDRIANISA wrote:
> >     >> > Dear Ishola Kabir, I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not
> >     benefit
> >     >> > AFRINIC for the simple reason that AFRINIC's resources are not
> >     enough
> >     >> > for its region. Regard,
> >     >> >
> >     >> > *Pascal* Heriliva ANDRIANISA
> >     >> > Webmaster i RENALA
> >     >> > *R*esearch and *E*ducation *N*etwork for *A*cademic and
> *L*earning
> >     >> > *A*ctivities - http://www.irenala.edu.mg/
> >     >> > Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la
> >     Recherche
> >     >> > Scientifique - Fiadanana_
> >     >> > GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29?? |??? +261 (0) 34 30 680 29_
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >
>  ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >     >> > *De: *"ishola kabir" <isholakabir at gmail.com
> >     <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
> >     >> > *?: *rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> >     >> > *Envoy?: *Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58
> >     >> > *Objet: *Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> > I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR
> legacy
> >     >> > resources transfer.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet
> >     >> > Registries (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources
> as
> >     >> > well. IPv4 inter-RIR legacy resources from and to other regions
> >     will
> >     >> > offer a realistic solution to the problem of reclaiming the
> >     >> > significant amount of unused IPV4 resources and allocating them
> to
> >     >> > their most efficient users. The transfer will be subject to the
> >     need
> >     >> > to main route aggregation and allow resources not in used in one
> >     >> > region to be transferred to a region where it is needed.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only
> push
> >     >> > the demand ?and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of
> >     resources
> >     >> > into different channel such as the holder of this unused
> resources
> >     >> > will do everything within their power for continued possession
> >     of this
> >     >> > resources for purpose of black market, increase their value in
> an
> >     >> > acquisition.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to
> >     >> > release address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them
> to
> >     >> > another region who wants them subject to the record keeping
> >     >> > requirements and regulation of inter regional legacy instead of
> >     being
> >     >> > hijacked or use without authorization.
> >     >> >
> >     >> > It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be
> very
> >     >> > small when compare to the potential benefit and this will also
> >     >> > reinforce effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address
> >     >> > Registries in global internet governance.
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
> >     >> >
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