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Tue Jun 18 09:46:53 UTC 2019
Dear all,
The above policy I strongly support because unused resources cannot be left
dormant without use. Moreover, other RIR have all implemented this policy
and it will do us good as a community to have this policy approved before
we all leave Uganda.
Thanks for your understanding.
On Tue, 18 Jun 2019, 12:37 PM , <rpd-request at afrinic.net> wrote:
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> From: Frank Habicht <geier at geier.ne.tz>
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> I agree and support this policy.
>
> Frank Habicht
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>
> On 18/06/2019 12:23, Emem William wrote:
> > Dear all,?
> > Jordie and Mark has giving all the points. There is no need for me to
> > repeat them.?
> > Afrinic is the only region left out cos we are sometimes slow.
> > I totally agree with this policy and I believe it should get approved
> > here in Uganda.
> > Thanks
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019, 09:49 <rpd-request at afrinic.net
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> > ? ?1. Re: inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC needs
> > ? ? ? this policy now! (Pascal ANDRIANISA)
> > ? ?2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (aleruchi chuku)
> > ? ?3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Kris Seeburn)
> > ? ?4. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
> > ? ? ? (Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 10:48:06 +0300 (EAT)
> > From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
> > <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
> > To: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es
> > <mailto:jordi.palet at consulintel.es>>
> > Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals -
> AFRINIC
> > ? ? ? ? needs this policy now!
> > Message-ID:
> > ? ? ? ?
> > <2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg
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> 2084202978.190352.1560844086975.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg>>
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> > Hi Jordi,
> > I read the policy proposal for IPV4 Inter-RIR Transfert.? ?
> > The article =>
> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1#proposal
> > ? I think this is not the benefit of AFRINIC as resources are
> > currently insufficient for AFRINIC.
> > Otherwise it is necessary to balance the transfers between RIR
> > because at least the number of resources is limited to sending to
> > other RIRs.
> >
> > I do not support this policy for this reason, The AFRINIC's
> > resources are not enough for AFRICA, why transfer them elsewhere ....
> >
> > Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA
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> > De: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > ?: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > Envoy?: Samedi 15 Juin 2019 13:23:23
> > Objet: [rpd] inputs on IPv4 Inter-RIR policy proposals - AFRINIC
> > needs this policy now!
> >
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I wonder if anyone has inputs on the policy proposals for IPv4
> > Inter-RIR transfers.
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-001-d1
> >
> > and
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/policy/proposals/2019-v4-002-d1
> >
> > I will be presenting both of them together on Wednesday 19th. If
> > you're not in Kampala, make sure to participate remotely
> > (https://www.internetsummit.africa/en/participate-remotely), so we
> > can resolve any doubts on the spot.
> >
> > This is a key issue for AFRINIC, which now is the *only* RIR not
> > allowing those transfers.
> >
> > AFRINIC is soon (probably around end of this year) entering in
> > exhaustion phase 2, so it will become more and more difficult to
> > obtain IPv4. If transfers from other regions aren't allowed, this
> > will be an added difficulty for the Internet growth in the region,
> > and increase the difficulties for the continued IPv6 deployment.
> >
> > The region needs this policy *now*, because the implementation
> > requires several months as there is a need to coordinate with the
> > systems of the other RIRs, in order to ensure a transparent
> > transfers process.
> >
> > So, what is your opinion?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jordi
> > @jordipalet
> >
> >
> >
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> > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 08:41:32 +0000 (UTC)
> > From: aleruchi chuku <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com
> > <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>>
> > To: "pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>"
> > <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>,? ishola
> kabir
> > ? ? ? ? <isholakabir at gmail.com <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
> > Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net
> > <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> > Message-ID: <820859170.2990967.1560847292489 at mail.yahoo.com
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> > If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be nothing
> > to transfere....would there?
> > But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming
> > "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be
> > able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve
> > from them.
> > Aleruchi
> >
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> > ? On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal
> > ANDRIANISA<pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
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> > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 12:44:56 +0400
> > From: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com
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> > To: "aleruchichuku at yahoo.com <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>"
> > <aleruchichuku at yahoo.com <mailto:aleruchichuku at yahoo.com>>
> > Cc: "rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>" <rpd at afrinic.net
> > <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>, ishola kabir
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> > Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
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> > That is a thought of sense. If we do that we equate and live another
> > day as we say. Yes old it will be and pushing to be at par with
> > others is the way through
> >
> > > On 18 Jun 2019, at 12:41, aleruchi chuku via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net
> > <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
> > >
> > > If the IPV4 is not enough for the region, then there will be
> > nothing to transfere....would there?
> > >
> > > But where it is available and as we all know gradually becoming
> > "old" in our region, then perhaps it is truly to our benefit to be
> > able to transfere this resource to other regions as well as recieve
> > from them.
> > >
> > > Aleruchi
> > >
> > > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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> > > On Tue, 18 Jun 2019 at 9:07 am, Pascal ANDRIANISA
> > > <pascal at irenala.edu.mg <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>> wrote:
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> > Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:43:58 +0100
> > From: Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng
> > <mailto:elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng>>
> > To: Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>>
> > Cc: "AfriNIC RPD MList." <rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer
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> > I agree with you perfectly.
> >
> > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 9:05 AM Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com
> > <mailto:seeburn.k at gmail.com>> wrote:
> >
> > > I?ll second and if not support that resources be used than kept in
> the
> > > coffer. If the coffer generated some interest I would see no issue
> > but our
> > > existence is also trying to find a stability between all the RIRs
> and
> > > resources needs to be used for continuous existence and
> sustainability
> > >
> > > On 18 Jun 2019, at 11:53, Hussein Olanrewaju AKANDE <
> > > elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng <mailto:elsufi at unilorin.edu.ng>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Dear All,
> > > Thank you Mark Elkins for those wonderful points, I do not
> > understand why
> > > we should continue to keep the resources when they can easily be
> > utilized.
> > >
> > > On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 8:21 AM <rpd-request at afrinic.net
> > <mailto:rpd-request at afrinic.net>> wrote:
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> > >> Today's Topics:
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> > >>? ? 1. Re: Nomcom feedback to PDWG (Owen DeLong)
> > >>? ? 2. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Pascal
> > ANDRIANISA)
> > >>? ? 3. Re: IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer. (Mark Elkins)
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
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> > >> Message: 1
> > >> Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 23:19:55 +0300
> > >> From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>>
> > >> To: Ernest Byaruhanga <ernest at afrinic.net
> > <mailto:ernest at afrinic.net>>
> > >> Cc: 2019 NomCom <nomcom2019 at afrinic.net
> > <mailto:nomcom2019 at afrinic.net>>, rpd at afrinic.net
> > <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG
> > >> Message-ID: <F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B at delong.com
> > <mailto:F7C58339-1AD0-4729-95E3-3F1110B5C11B at delong.com>>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain;? ? ? ?charset=utf-8
> > >>
> > >> Ernest, as I understand the PDP and the bylaws, the only
> > appropriate way
> > >> to implement the output of that committee would be for the
> > committee to
> > >> write up one or more policy proposals to codify then into the PDP
> > and have
> > >> the community come to consensus on them.
> > >>
> > >> Failing that, they are an ex party change to the PDP in violation
> > of the
> > >> PDP and the bylaws. While I agree with most of the
> > recommendations on that
> > >> page, we must above all preserve the integrity of the process and
> > therefore
> > >> follow the rules when we seek to amend the process.
> > >>
> > >> Owen
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > On Jun 17, 2019, at 17:08, Ernest Byaruhanga
> > <ernest at afrinic.net <mailto:ernest at afrinic.net>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >
> > >> > Owen,
> > >> >
> > >> > An update to the PDWG co-chair election process was produced by
> an
> > >> elections process review committee instituted by the CEO and
> > shared with
> > >> the community for comments and feedback, sometime in 2012:
> > >> >
> > >> > https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2012/002145.html
> > >> >
> > >> > Unfortunately we are not able to download or locate the
> > original copy,
> > >> but the adopted document used in 2013 included the requirement
> > that those
> > >> voting should be residing within the AFRINIC region.
> > >> >
> > >> > The elections committee has however never enforced this
> requirement
> > >> despite its presence in the elections guideline, which was
> > presumably an
> > >> output of that review committee based on comments and feedback
> > consequent
> > >> to the call for comments.
> > >> >
> > >> > The elections committee will therefore not be enforcing this
> > >> requirement in the coming election based on precedent.
> > >> >
> > >> > On the issue of remote participants voting, we have not
> > provided for
> > >> this before, and unfortunately not at the upcoming election.
> > >> >
> > >> > We welcome and will include the community?s feedback towards
> > improving
> > >> the current election processes.
> > >> >
> > >> > Ernest.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >> On 16 Jun 2019, at 09:08, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com
> > <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I have some questions about the conduct of this election.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> First, I would think that the controlling document would be
> > the CPM
> > >> and not some random webpage of unknown origin.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thus, I suggest that the rules (such as they are) are outlined
> > in CPM
> > >> section 3 and that where the following page:
> > >> >>? ?
> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Conflicts or provides additional restrictions, the CPM should
> be
> > >> controlling and additional restrictions specified there are not
> > valid.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I have not yet seen anyone answer Dewole?s earlier question
> about
> > >> where this procedure came from and how it was deployed without
> > community
> > >> involvement or consensus.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Amending the election procedure (or even making it more
> specific)
> > >> should be done through modification of the PDP via the PDP.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> It certainly should not be done ad hoc by AfriNIC staff, the
> > board, or
> > >> whoever else produced that page.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> For example, it has never previously been the practice that
> > one must
> > >> reside in a country within AfriNIC region in order to vote for
> PDWG
> > >> co-chair, nor should it be. AfriNIC policies affect those outside
> > of the
> > >> region as well as those within the region and there are a
> significant
> > >> number of people active in the PDWG that do not live within the
> > region,
> > >> myself included.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> No RIR that I know of restricts voting for PDWG co-chairs (or
> > >> equivalent) to those residing in the region.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Then there is the question of remote participants voting.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> The CPM section 3.3 is silent on this matter for a normal
> > election, so
> > >> that leaves an open question.
> > >> >> However,
> > https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
> > >> states that you must be physically present in the room and must
> > have a
> > >> badge showing that you have registered (assuming that they sort
> > out the
> > >> irregularities with badge printing).
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Can we please get some clarification on the procedure for this
> > >> election at least 24 hours before the voting starts?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Thanks,
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Owen
> > >> >>
> > >> >>
> > >> >>> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:51 AM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng
> > <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> wrote:
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on
> > conduct of
> > >> PDWG elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election
> > process somehow
> > >> seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please clarify how
> > we came
> > >> about the detailed election notes outlined at
> > >> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election ?
> > This is
> > >> bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via the
> PDP.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> My suggestion about giving the working group the option of
> > retaining
> > >> the current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving
> > after the
> > >> same meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working
> group
> > >> members present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair)
> > the option
> > >> of rejecting the default seat retention.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the
> NomCom
> > >> asking us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections
> > Committee
> > >> to tell us how they intend to handle this.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Regards,
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>> Dewole.
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>
> > >> >>>> On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:
> > >> >>>> I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is
> > qualify to
> > >> be voted and how our elections should be conducted. I hope we not
> > trying to
> > >> define new rules here.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless
> > should be
> > >> given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing anyone
> > giving
> > >> any special consideration.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> In particular I believe that all the candidates that are
> > >> volunteering, could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the
> > PWDG. So
> > >> let us not disadvantage anyone.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> So far NomCom have shown commitment to? a fair process and
> > >> maintaining that going forward will be important.
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>> Simply,
> > >> >>>> Danile
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>
> > >> >>>>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao
> > <dewole at forum.org.ng <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>>
> > >> wrote:
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I
> > shared
> > >> earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start of
> > the policy
> > >> day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the day. Holding
> the
> > >> election before the open mic will allow working group members
> > also provide
> > >> feedback on the process during the open mic.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> The contents of
> > >> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019
> remain
> > >> unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we should
> > wait for
> > >> NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair candidates are
> > (before we
> > >> start the questioning)? For future PDWG elections, the questions
> > could be
> > >> included as part of the information to provide during the
> nominations
> > >> stage. Or maybe some have already been asked by NomCom and the
> > candidates
> > >> only need to decide what they wish to share with us.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has
> > a plan
> > >> for incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect to
> > >> participate in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>> Regards,
> > >> >>>>> Dewole.
> > >> >>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> > >> >>>>>> Hi Dewole, all,
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to
> > keep
> > >> continuity of the existing co-chairs.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be
> > good to
> > >> consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so even
> > if the
> > >> election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP
> > discussion time
> > >> is respected.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one
> > year, or
> > >> how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair
> > >> candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful
> > knowledge
> > >> by the community to whom they are electing. This is not about
> > electing
> > >> "your best friend for driving a party", but the people that
> > better knows
> > >> the PDP and has already been following it.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since
> > when
> > >> they have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have contributed
> > in the
> > >> discussions in the list and meetings, or even with policy
> > proposals. How
> > >> the candidates are going to support the PDP, increase community
> > >> participation, etc. Also, we need to understand if they have
> actively
> > >> supported or non-supported any of the actual policy proposals, so
> > we can
> > >> avoid electing two chairs that may have a bias on the same policy
> > proposal.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Reading the actual CVs at
> > >> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019, I
> > don't
> > >> think all the candidates have that information right now.
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with
> verified
> > >> responses to some extent) those questions for each of the
> > candidate and
> > >> publish it together with the CVs ?
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>> Regards,
> > >> >>>>>> Jordi
> > >> >>>>>> ?El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng
> > <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> escribi?:
> > >> >>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>? ? A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for
> the
> > >> Nomination
> > >> >>>>>>? ? Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the
> > final
> > >> slate of
> > >> >>>>>>? ? candidates after their considerations have been done.
> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Elections Committee should at this point also
> > state how
> > >> the seats would
> > >> >>>>>>? ? be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There
> > have been
> > >> >>>>>>? ? suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to
> > sort them
> > >> out now
> > >> >>>>>>? ? rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.
> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:
> > >> >>>>>>? ? Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of
> > hands to
> > >> see if the
> > >> >>>>>>? ? working group is in support of Sami retaining his seat.
> If
> > >> majority in
> > >> >>>>>>? ? support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the
> > election is
> > >> for one
> > >> >>>>>>? ? seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates has
> the
> > >> maximum votes.
> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour
> of
> > >> current co-chair
> > >> >>>>>>? ? taking a seat by default, then second round of voting
> > can be
> > >> for 2 seats
> > >> >>>>>>? ? possibly using the option of higher votes getting the
> > longer
> > >> term.
> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Again, this is just my point of view.
> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Regards,
> > >> >>>>>>? ? ? ? ?Dewole.
> > >> >>>>>>>? ? ? ? ?On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>> Hi Serge,
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>>> On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
> > >> >>>>>>>> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of the
> > persons
> > >> who
> > >> >>>>>>>> submitted their documentation.? The Nomination Committee
> > Chair
> > >> contacted
> > >> >>>>>>>> each nominee to notify him/her of the decision.
> > >> >>>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Is this particular update referring to all the nominees,
> > nominees
> > >> that
> > >> >>>>>>> complained or only nominees that remained after the
> > NomCom filter.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> The text "persons who submitted their documentation"
> > requires more
> > >> >>>>>>> clarity IMHO.
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Regards,
> > >> >>>>>>>
> > >> >>>>>>> Ish Sookun
> > >> >>>>>>>
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> > >> Message: 2
> > >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:05:12 +0300 (EAT)
> > >> From: Pascal ANDRIANISA <pascal at irenala.edu.mg
> > <mailto:pascal at irenala.edu.mg>>
> > >> To: ishola kabir <isholakabir at gmail.com
> > <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
> > >> Cc: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> > >> Message-ID:
> > >>? ? ? ?
> > ?<1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edumg
> > <mailto:
> 1103848571.189374.1560837912327.JavaMail.zimbra at irenala.edu.mg>>
> > >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> > >>
> > >> Dear Ishola Kabir,
> > >> I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not benefit AFRINIC for
> > the simple
> > >> reason that AFRINIC's resources are not enough for its region.
> > >>
> > >> Regard,
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Pascal Heriliva ANDRIANISA
> > >> Webmaster i RENALA
> > >> R esearch and E ducation N etwork for A cademic and L earning A
> > ctivities
> > >> - [ http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ | http://www.irenala.edu.mg/ ]
> > >> Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la
> Recherche
> > >> Scientifique - Fiadanana
> > >> GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29 | +261 (0) 34 30 680 29
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> De: "ishola kabir" <isholakabir at gmail.com
> > <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
> > >> ?: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> > >> Envoy?: Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58
> > >> Objet: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR legacy
> > >> resources transfer.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet
> > Registries
> > >> (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources as well. IPv4
> > inter-RIR
> > >> legacy resources from and to other regions will offer a realistic
> > solution
> > >> to the problem of reclaiming the significant amount of unused IPV4
> > >> resources and allocating them to their most efficient users. The
> > transfer
> > >> will be subject to the need to main route aggregation and allow
> > resources
> > >> not in used in one region to be transferred to a region where it
> > is needed.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only
> > push the
> > >> demand and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of resources
> > into
> > >> different channel such as the holder of this unused resources
> will do
> > >> everything within their power for continued possession of this
> > resources
> > >> for purpose of black market, increase their value in an
> acquisition.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to
> > release
> > >> address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them to
> > another region
> > >> who wants them subject to the record keeping requirements and
> > regulation of
> > >> inter regional legacy instead of being hijacked or use without
> > >> authorization.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be
> > very small
> > >> when compare to the potential benefit and this will also reinforce
> > >> effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address Registries
> > in global
> > >> internet governance.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> _______________________________________________
> > >> RPD mailing list
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> > >>
> > >> Message: 3
> > >> Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 09:19:24 +0200
> > >> From: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za <mailto:mje at posix.co.za>>
> > >> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> > >> Subject: Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> > >> Message-ID: <e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362 at posix.co.za
> > <mailto:e927753c-91b9-364f-ba24-22613d8fc362 at posix.co.za>>
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> > >>
> > >> IPv4 resources were never enough for the world (Four-ish billion
> IP
> > >> addresses). That's why IPv6 was created. The other four RIR's have
> > >> basically run out of IPv4 - which to an extent has forced them to
> > adopt
> > >> IPv6. In a perverse way - its actually bad for Africa to NOT have
> run
> > >> out as we lazily continue to deploy IPv4 - last years technology
> as
> > >> such.. Better to move straight to IPv6 before we are too weighed
> > down by
> > >> the legacy restrictiveness of IPv4 addresses.
> > >>
> > >> Also - the Transfer Policy would generally need to be
> > bidirectional so
> > >> that other RIR regions will allow the transfer of IPv4 resources
> into
> > >> Africa - that is, play on an equal footing - if indeed some of the
> > >> larger African ISP's need to acquire more IPv4 addresses.
> > >>
> > >> If an African LIR/ISP does sell IPv4 resources to another region
> then
> > >> the capitol will probably be used to expand that LIR's business -
> > >> presumably in an IPv6 direction - which would be beneficial to
> that
> > >> LIR's customers and to an extent, the rest of our community.
> > >>
> > >> Just think, for the first time ever, we get to dump old
> > technology onto
> > >> "developed" countries rather than the other way around.
> > >>
> > >> On 2019/06/18 08:05, Pascal ANDRIANISA wrote:
> > >> > Dear Ishola Kabir, I think the transfer of inter-RIR does not
> > benefit
> > >> > AFRINIC for the simple reason that AFRINIC's resources are not
> > enough
> > >> > for its region. Regard,
> > >> >
> > >> > *Pascal* Heriliva ANDRIANISA
> > >> > Webmaster i RENALA
> > >> > *R*esearch and *E*ducation *N*etwork for *A*cademic and
> *L*earning
> > >> > *A*ctivities - http://www.irenala.edu.mg/
> > >> > Porte 201 - Minist?re de l'Enseignement Sup?rieur et de la
> > Recherche
> > >> > Scientifique - Fiadanana_
> > >> > GSM :+261 (0) 32 46 680 29?? |??? +261 (0) 34 30 680 29_
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > >> > *De: *"ishola kabir" <isholakabir at gmail.com
> > <mailto:isholakabir at gmail.com>>
> > >> > *?: *rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
> > >> > *Envoy?: *Lundi 17 Juin 2019 17:17:58
> > >> > *Objet: *Re: [rpd] IPV4 inter-RIR Legacy Resources Transfer.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> > I stand to support the policy on proposal of IPV4 inter-RIR
> legacy
> > >> > resources transfer.
> > >> >
> > >> > We're running out of IPV4 resources and the Regional Internet
> > >> > Registries (RIRs) have started to run out of of IPV4 resources
> as
> > >> > well. IPv4 inter-RIR legacy resources from and to other regions
> > will
> > >> > offer a realistic solution to the problem of reclaiming the
> > >> > significant amount of unused IPV4 resources and allocating them
> to
> > >> > their most efficient users. The transfer will be subject to the
> > need
> > >> > to main route aggregation and allow resources not in used in one
> > >> > region to be transferred to a region where it is needed.
> > >> >
> > >> > Preventing IPv4 Inter-RIR Legacy Resource Transfers would only
> push
> > >> > the demand ?and supply pressures surrounding the scarcity of
> > resources
> > >> > into different channel such as the holder of this unused
> resources
> > >> > will do everything within their power for continued possession
> > of this
> > >> > resources for purpose of black market, increase their value in
> an
> > >> > acquisition.
> > >> >
> > >> > Inter-RIR Legacy would definitely allows organization willing to
> > >> > release address resources to benefit monetarily by selling them
> to
> > >> > another region who wants them subject to the record keeping
> > >> > requirements and regulation of inter regional legacy instead of
> > being
> > >> > hijacked or use without authorization.
> > >> >
> > >> > It is very obvious that the risk associated with this will be
> very
> > >> > small when compare to the potential benefit and this will also
> > >> > reinforce effectiveness of the inter Regional Internet Address
> > >> > Registries in global internet governance.
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
> > >> >
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