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[rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG
owen at delong.com
Sun Jun 16 06:08:57 UTC 2019
I have some questions about the conduct of this election.
First, I would think that the controlling document would be the CPM and not some random webpage of unknown origin.
Thus, I suggest that the rules (such as they are) are outlined in CPM section 3 and that where the following page:
Conflicts or provides additional restrictions, the CPM should be controlling and additional restrictions specified there are not valid.
I have not yet seen anyone answer Dewole’s earlier question about where this procedure came from and how it was deployed without community involvement or consensus.
Amending the election procedure (or even making it more specific) should be done through modification of the PDP via the PDP.
It certainly should not be done ad hoc by AfriNIC staff, the board, or whoever else produced that page.
For example, it has never previously been the practice that one must reside in a country within AfriNIC region in order to vote for PDWG co-chair, nor should it be. AfriNIC policies affect those outside of the region as well as those within the region and there are a significant number of people active in the PDWG that do not live within the region, myself included.
No RIR that I know of restricts voting for PDWG co-chairs (or equivalent) to those residing in the region.
Then there is the question of remote participants voting.
The CPM section 3.3 is silent on this matter for a normal election, so that leaves an open question.
However, https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election <https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election> states that you must be physically present in the room and must have a badge showing that you have registered (assuming that they sort out the irregularities with badge printing).
Can we please get some clarification on the procedure for this election at least 24 hours before the voting starts?
> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:51 AM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng> wrote:
> I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on conduct of PDWG elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election process somehow seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please clarify how we came about the detailed election notes outlined at https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election ? This is bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via the PDP.
> My suggestion about giving the working group the option of retaining the current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving after the same meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working group members present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair) the option of rejecting the default seat retention.
> In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the NomCom asking us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections Committee to tell us how they intend to handle this.
> On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:
>> I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is qualify to be voted and how our elections should be conducted. I hope we not trying to define new rules here.
>> We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless should be given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing anyone giving any special consideration.
>> In particular I believe that all the candidates that are volunteering, could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the PWDG. So let us not disadvantage anyone.
>> So far NomCom have shown commitment to a fair process and maintaining that going forward will be important.
>> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng> wrote:
>>> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I shared earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start of the policy day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the day. Holding the election before the open mic will allow working group members also provide feedback on the process during the open mic.
>>> The contents of https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019 remain unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we should wait for NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair candidates are (before we start the questioning)? For future PDWG elections, the questions could be included as part of the information to provide during the nominations stage. Or maybe some have already been asked by NomCom and the candidates only need to decide what they wish to share with us.
>>> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has a plan for incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect to participate in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.
>>> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>>>> Hi Dewole, all,
>>>> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to keep continuity of the existing co-chairs.
>>>> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be good to consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so even if the election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP discussion time is respected.
>>>> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one year, or how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?
>>>> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful knowledge by the community to whom they are electing. This is not about electing "your best friend for driving a party", but the people that better knows the PDP and has already been following it.
>>>> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since when they have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have contributed in the discussions in the list and meetings, or even with policy proposals. How the candidates are going to support the PDP, increase community participation, etc. Also, we need to understand if they have actively supported or non-supported any of the actual policy proposals, so we can avoid electing two chairs that may have a bias on the same policy proposal.
>>>> Reading the actual CVs at https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019, I don't think all the candidates have that information right now.
>>>> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with verified responses to some extent) those questions for each of the candidate and publish it together with the CVs ?
>>>> El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng> escribió:
>>>> A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for the Nomination
>>>> Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the final slate of
>>>> candidates after their considerations have been done.
>>>> Elections Committee should at this point also state how the seats would
>>>> be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There have been
>>>> suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to sort them out now
>>>> rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.
>>>> My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:
>>>> Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of hands to see if the
>>>> working group is in support of Sami retaining his seat. If majority in
>>>> support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the election is for one
>>>> seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates has the maximum votes.
>>>> If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour of current co-chair
>>>> taking a seat by default, then second round of voting can be for 2 seats
>>>> possibly using the option of higher votes getting the longer term.
>>>> Again, this is just my point of view.
>>>> On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
>>>> > Hi Serge,
>>>> > On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
>>>> >> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of the persons who
>>>> >> submitted their documentation. The Nomination Committee Chair contacted
>>>> >> each nominee to notify him/her of the decision.
>>>> > Is this particular update referring to all the nominees, nominees that
>>>> > complained or only nominees that remained after the NomCom filter.
>>>> > The text "persons who submitted their documentation" requires more
>>>> > clarity IMHO.
>>>> > Regards,
>>>> > Ish Sookun
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