[rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG

Sun Jun 16 06:39:38 UTC 2019

I hope NomCom, is not attempting to behave like the election umpires of
most African countries, where rules are change in the middle of the way, to
suit a hidden agenda.

This is not our first election of the PDWG, and we have rules. Let us stay
on that lane.

On Sun, Jun 16, 2019, 7:09 AM Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> I have some questions about the conduct of this election.
>
> First, I would think that the controlling document would be the CPM and
> not some random webpage of unknown origin.
>
> Thus, I suggest that the rules (such as they are) are outlined in CPM
> section 3 and that where the following page:
> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election
>
> Conflicts or provides additional restrictions, the CPM should be
> controlling and additional restrictions specified there are not valid.
>
> I have not yet seen anyone answer Dewole’s earlier question about where
> this procedure came from and how it was deployed without community
> involvement or consensus.
>
> Amending the election procedure (or even making it more specific) should
> be done through modification of the PDP via the PDP.
>
> It certainly should not be done ad hoc by AfriNIC staff, the board, or
> whoever else produced that page.
>
> For example, it has never previously been the practice that one must
> reside in a country within AfriNIC region in order to vote for PDWG
> co-chair, nor should it be. AfriNIC policies affect those outside of the
> region as well as those within the region and there are a significant
> number of people active in the PDWG that do not live within the region,
> myself included.
>
> No RIR that I know of restricts voting for PDWG co-chairs (or equivalent)
> to those residing in the region.
>
> Then there is the question of remote participants voting.
>
> The CPM section 3.3 is silent on this matter for a normal election, so
> that leaves an open question.
> However, https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election states
> that you must be physically present in the room and must have a badge
> showing that you have registered (assuming that they sort out the
> irregularities with badge printing).
>
> Can we please get some clarification on the procedure for this election at
> least 24 hours before the voting starts?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Owen
>
>
> On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:51 AM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng> wrote:
>
> I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on conduct of PDWG
> elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election process somehow
> seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please clarify how we came
> about the detailed election notes outlined at
> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election ? This is
> bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via the PDP.
>
> My suggestion about giving the working group the option of retaining the
> current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving after the same
> meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working group members
> present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair) the option of
> rejecting the default seat retention.
>
> In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the NomCom asking
> us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections Committee to tell
> us how they intend to handle this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dewole.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:
>
> I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is qualify to be
> voted and how our elections should be conducted. I hope we not trying to
> define new rules here.
>
> We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless should be given
> a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing anyone giving any
> special consideration.
>
> In particular I believe that all the candidates that are volunteering,
> could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the PWDG. So let us not
> disadvantage anyone.
>
> So far NomCom have shown commitment to  a fair process and maintaining
> that going forward will be important.
>
> Simply,
> Danile
>
>
>
> On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng> wrote:
>
> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I shared
> earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start of the policy
> day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the day. Holding the
> election before the open mic will allow working group members also provide
> feedback on the process during the open mic.
>
> The contents of
> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019 remain
> unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we should wait for
> NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair candidates are (before we
> start the questioning)? For future PDWG elections, the questions could be
> included as part of the information to provide during the nominations
> stage. Or maybe some have already been asked by NomCom and the candidates
> only need to decide what they wish to share with us.
>
> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has a plan for
> incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect to participate
> in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.
>
> Regards,
> Dewole.
>
> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>
> Hi Dewole, all,
>
> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to keep continuity
> of the existing co-chairs.
>
> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be good to consider
> running the election at the end of the open mic, so even if the election
> process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP discussion time is
> respected.
>
> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one year, or how it
> will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?
>
> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair candidates. And
> I think this is very important for a successful knowledge by the community
> to whom they are electing. This is not about electing "your best friend for
> driving a party", but the people that better knows the PDP and has already
> been following it.
>
> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since when they have
> been in the RPD mailing list, how they have contributed in the discussions
> in the list and meetings, or even with policy proposals. How the candidates
> are going to support the PDP, increase community participation, etc. Also,
> we need to understand if they have actively supported or non-supported any
> of the actual policy proposals, so we can avoid electing two chairs that
> may have a bias on the same policy proposal.
>
> Reading the actual CVs at
> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019, I don't
> think all the candidates have that information right now.
>
> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with verified responses
> to some extent) those questions for each of the candidate and publish it
> together with the CVs ?
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>  El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng> escribió:
>
>     A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for the Nomination
>     Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the final slate of
>     candidates after their considerations have been done.
>          Elections Committee should at this point also state how the seats
> would
>     be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There have been
>     suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to sort them out now
>     rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.
>          My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:
>     Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of hands to see if the
>     working group is in support of Sami retaining his seat. If majority in
>     support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the election is for one
>     seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates has the maximum
> votes.
>          If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour of current
> co-chair
>     taking a seat by default, then second round of voting can be for 2
> seats
>     possibly using the option of higher votes getting the longer term.
>          Again, this is just my point of view.
>          Regards,
>          Dewole.
>          On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
>     > Hi Serge,
>     >
>     > On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
>     >> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of the persons who
>     >> submitted their documentation.  The Nomination Committee Chair
> contacted
>     >> each nominee to notify him/her of the decision.
>     >>
>     > Is this particular update referring to all the nominees, nominees
> that
>     > complained or only nominees that remained after the NomCom filter.
>     >
>     > The text "persons who submitted their documentation" requires more
>     > clarity IMHO.
>     >
>     > Regards,
>     >
>     > Ish Sookun
>     >
>     > _______________________________________________
>     > RPD mailing list
>     > RPD at afrinic.net
>     > https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
>          _______________________________________________
>     RPD mailing list
>     RPD at afrinic.net
>     https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
>
>
> **********************************************
> IPv4 is over
> Are you ready for the new Internet ?
> http://www.theipv6company.com
> The IPv6 Company
>
> This electronic message contains information which may be privileged or
> confidential. The information is intended to be for the exclusive use of
> the individual(s) named above and further non-explicilty authorized
> disclosure, copying, distribution or use of the contents of this
> information, even if partially, including attached files, is strictly
> prohibited and will be considered a criminal offense. If you are not the
> intended recipient be aware that any disclosure, copying, distribution or
> use of the contents of this information, even if partially, including
> attached files, is strictly prohibited, will be considered a criminal
> offense, so you must reply to the original sender to inform about this
> communication and delete it.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> RPD mailing list
> RPD at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> RPD mailing list
> RPD at afrinic.net
> https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd
>
>
>
-------------- next part --------------
An HTML attachment was scrubbed...
URL: <https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/attachments/20190616/b41c4da3/attachment-0001.html>