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[rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG

Ish Sookun ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu
Sun Jun 9 15:33:24 UTC 2019


Hello,

I suppose suggestions to the election process should be treated as an
update of section 3.3 of the CPM; which should then come in the form of
a policy proposal.

Regards,

Ish Sookun

On 6/9/19 6:07 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
> Hello,
> I would like tosuggested a fair voting method which is being used by 
> RIPE. This method is also used by the ITU and other reputable
> organisations. Let me try and explain it with out own situation.
> 
> In the election, there were two seats to be filled. A candidate needed
> more than 50% to be elected to the board. If no candidate received more
> than 50%, the candidate with the fewest first preference votes was
> eliminated from the count and their next preference votes transferred to
> the other candidates. This process would be repeated until one of the
> candidates had more than 50% of the votes. The same system applied for
> both seats, with the candidate who won the first seat excluded for the
> second seat.” 
> This allow for fairness and allow for the community to eliminate
> candidates gradually. Therefore whoever emerges must have the backing of
> the community rather than simple majority which in some cases does  not
> reflect the majority
> Thanks
> Abdulkarim
> 
> On Sun, 9 Jun 2019, 13:39 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net
> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
> 
>     Exactly !
> 
>     I fully agree, I wonder how come we have an election process outside
>     of the PDP, this is totally broken.
> 
>     Has the community formally adopted it, when, and how?
> 
>     Regards,
>     Jordi
> 
> 
> 
>     El 9/6/19 10:51, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng
>     <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> escribió:
> 
>         I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on
>     conduct of
>         PDWG elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election process
>         somehow seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please
>     clarify
>         how we came about the detailed election notes outlined at
>         https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election ?
>     This is
>         bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via the
>     PDP.
> 
>         My suggestion about giving the working group the option of
>     retaining the
>         current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving
>     after the
>         same meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working
>     group
>         members present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair) the
>         option of rejecting the default seat retention.
> 
>         In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the
>     NomCom asking
>         us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections
>     Committee to
>         tell us how they intend to handle this.
> 
>         Regards,
> 
>         Dewole.
> 
> 
> 
> 
>         On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:
>         > I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is
>     qualify to be voted and how our elections should be conducted. I
>     hope we not trying to define new rules here.
>         >
>         > We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless
>     should be given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing
>     anyone giving any special consideration.
>         >
>         > In particular I believe that all the candidates that are
>     volunteering, could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the
>     PWDG. So let us not disadvantage anyone.
>         >
>         > So far NomCom have shown commitment to  a fair process and
>     maintaining that going forward will be important.
>         >
>         > Simply,
>         > Danile
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         > On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng
>     <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> wrote:
>         >
>         >> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I
>     shared earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start
>     of the policy day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the
>     day. Holding the election before the open mic will allow working
>     group members also provide feedback on the process during the open mic.
>         >>
>         >> The contents of
>     https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019
>     remain unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we
>     should wait for NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair
>     candidates are (before we start the questioning)? For future PDWG
>     elections, the questions could be included as part of the
>     information to provide during the nominations stage. Or maybe some
>     have already been asked by NomCom and the candidates only need to
>     decide what they wish to share with us.
>         >>
>         >> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has a
>     plan for incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect
>     to participate in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.
>         >>
>         >> Regards,
>         >> Dewole.
>         >>
>         >> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
>         >>> Hi Dewole, all,
>         >>>
>         >>> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to
>     keep continuity of the existing co-chairs.
>         >>>
>         >>> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be good
>     to consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so even
>     if the election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP
>     discussion time is respected.
>         >>>
>         >>> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one
>     year, or how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?
>         >>>
>         >>> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair
>     candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful
>     knowledge by the community to whom they are electing. This is not
>     about electing "your best friend for driving a party", but the
>     people that better knows the PDP and has already been following it.
>         >>>
>         >>> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since
>     when they have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have
>     contributed in the discussions in the list and meetings, or even
>     with policy proposals. How the candidates are going to support the
>     PDP, increase community participation, etc. Also, we need to
>     understand if they have actively supported or non-supported any of
>     the actual policy proposals, so we can avoid electing two chairs
>     that may have a bias on the same policy proposal.
>         >>>
>         >>> Reading the actual CVs at
>     https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019, I
>     don't think all the candidates have that information right now.
>         >>>
>         >>> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with
>     verified responses to some extent) those questions for each of the
>     candidate and publish it together with the CVs ?
>         >>>
>         >>> Regards,
>         >>> Jordi
>         >>>   
>         >>> El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng
>     <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> escribió:
>         >>>
>         >>>      A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for
>     the Nomination
>         >>>      Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the
>     final slate of
>         >>>      candidates after their considerations have been done.
>         >>>           Elections Committee should at this point also
>     state how the seats would
>         >>>      be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There
>     have been
>         >>>      suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to
>     sort them out now
>         >>>      rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.
>         >>>           My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:
>         >>>      Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of
>     hands to see if the
>         >>>      working group is in support of Sami retaining his seat.
>     If majority in
>         >>>      support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the
>     election is for one
>         >>>      seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates has
>     the maximum votes.
>         >>>           If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour
>     of current co-chair
>         >>>      taking a seat by default, then second round of voting
>     can be for 2 seats
>         >>>      possibly using the option of higher votes getting the
>     longer term.
>         >>>           Again, this is just my point of view.
>         >>>           Regards,
>         >>>           Dewole.
>         >>>           On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
>         >>>      > Hi Serge,
>         >>>      >
>         >>>      > On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
>         >>>      >> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of
>     the persons who
>         >>>      >> submitted their documentation.  The Nomination
>     Committee Chair contacted
>         >>>      >> each nominee to notify him/her of the decision.
>         >>>      >>
>         >>>      > Is this particular update referring to all the
>     nominees, nominees that
>         >>>      > complained or only nominees that remained after the
>     NomCom filter.
>         >>>      >
>         >>>      > The text "persons who submitted their documentation"
>     requires more
>         >>>      > clarity IMHO.
>         >>>      >
>         >>>      > Regards,
>         >>>      >
>         >>>      > Ish Sookun
>         >>>      >
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