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[rpd] Nomcom feedback to PDWG
Ish Sookun
ish.sookun at lasentinelle.mu
Sun Jun 9 15:33:24 UTC 2019
Hello,
I suppose suggestions to the election process should be treated as an
update of section 3.3 of the CPM; which should then come in the form of
a policy proposal.
Regards,
Ish Sookun
On 6/9/19 6:07 PM, ABDULKARIM AYOPO OLOYEDE wrote:
> Hello,
> I would like tosuggested a fair voting method which is being used by
> RIPE. This method is also used by the ITU and other reputable
> organisations. Let me try and explain it with out own situation.
>
> In the election, there were two seats to be filled. A candidate needed
> more than 50% to be elected to the board. If no candidate received more
> than 50%, the candidate with the fewest first preference votes was
> eliminated from the count and their next preference votes transferred to
> the other candidates. This process would be repeated until one of the
> candidates had more than 50% of the votes. The same system applied for
> both seats, with the candidate who won the first seat excluded for the
> second seat.”
> This allow for fairness and allow for the community to eliminate
> candidates gradually. Therefore whoever emerges must have the backing of
> the community rather than simple majority which in some cases does not
> reflect the majority
> Thanks
> Abdulkarim
>
> On Sun, 9 Jun 2019, 13:39 JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD, <rpd at afrinic.net
> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>> wrote:
>
> Exactly !
>
> I fully agree, I wonder how come we have an election process outside
> of the PDP, this is totally broken.
>
> Has the community formally adopted it, when, and how?
>
> Regards,
> Jordi
>
>
>
> El 9/6/19 10:51, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng
> <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> escribió:
>
> I was going to reply to say there are no standing rules on
> conduct of
> PDWG elections but I see from the CPM that the PDP election process
> somehow seems to have evolved. Can someone in the know please
> clarify
> how we came about the detailed election notes outlined at
> https://afrinic.net/policy/development-working-group#election ?
> This is
> bearing in mind that changes to the PDP can only be done via the
> PDP.
>
> My suggestion about giving the working group the option of
> retaining the
> current co-chair was an attempt to avoid 2 co-chairs leaving
> after the
> same meeting. Note that my suggested process allows the working
> group
> members present (who are the deciders of who becomes co-chair) the
> option of rejecting the default seat retention.
>
> In any case, all of this is speculation as a result of the
> NomCom asking
> us what we think. At this point, it is over to Elections
> Committee to
> tell us how they intend to handle this.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dewole.
>
>
>
>
> On 6/8/2019 11:31 PM, Daniel Yakmut wrote:
> > I want to believe that we have standing rules on who is
> qualify to be voted and how our elections should be conducted. I
> hope we not trying to define new rules here.
> >
> > We should stick to the rules and all candidates regardless
> should be given a level playing field. i don't subscribe to allowing
> anyone giving any special consideration.
> >
> > In particular I believe that all the candidates that are
> volunteering, could possibly some fresh air to the conduct of the
> PWDG. So let us not disadvantage anyone.
> >
> > So far NomCom have shown commitment to a fair process and
> maintaining that going forward will be important.
> >
> > Simply,
> > Danile
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jun 8, 2019, at 11:06 PM, Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng
> <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> wrote:
> >
> >> Sorry, the election slot is missing from the draft agenda I
> shared earlier. It may be inefficient to have election at the start
> of the policy day so it is planned to hold towards the end of the
> day. Holding the election before the open mic will allow working
> group members also provide feedback on the process during the open mic.
> >>
> >> The contents of
> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019
> remain unchanged from the pre-protest announcement. Perhaps we
> should wait for NomCom to tell the working group who the co-chair
> candidates are (before we start the questioning)? For future PDWG
> elections, the questions could be included as part of the
> information to provide during the nominations stage. Or maybe some
> have already been asked by NomCom and the candidates only need to
> decide what they wish to share with us.
> >>
> >> One would imagine that the Elections Committee already has a
> plan for incorporating remote participants who will naturally expect
> to participate in the co-chair selection as allowed by the PDP.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Dewole.
> >>
> >> On 6/8/2019 10:07 PM, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ wrote:
> >>> Hi Dewole, all,
> >>>
> >>> I will agree with your suggestion, it is very important to
> keep continuity of the existing co-chairs.
> >>>
> >>> Also, I think to avoid wasting precious time, it may be good
> to consider running the election at the end of the open mic, so even
> if the election process is delayed for whatever, reason, the PDP
> discussion time is respected.
> >>>
> >>> One of the elected co-chairs will be running for just one
> year, or how it will be handled in order to get the staggered terms?
> >>>
> >>> Finally, I've a question for the NomCom and the PDP-chair
> candidates. And I think this is very important for a successful
> knowledge by the community to whom they are electing. This is not
> about electing "your best friend for driving a party", but the
> people that better knows the PDP and has already been following it.
> >>>
> >>> So, I will like to know, for each of the candidates, since
> when they have been in the RPD mailing list, how they have
> contributed in the discussions in the list and meetings, or even
> with policy proposals. How the candidates are going to support the
> PDP, increase community participation, etc. Also, we need to
> understand if they have actively supported or non-supported any of
> the actual policy proposals, so we can avoid electing two chairs
> that may have a bias on the same policy proposal.
> >>>
> >>> Reading the actual CVs at
> https://www.afrinic.net/candidate-slate-for-pdwg-election-2019, I
> don't think all the candidates have that information right now.
> >>>
> >>> So, can the NomCom prepare a document answering (with
> verified responses to some extent) those questions for each of the
> candidate and publish it together with the CVs ?
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Jordi
> >>>
> >>> El 8/6/19 21:10, "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng
> <mailto:dewole at forum.org.ng>> escribió:
> >>>
> >>> A simple solution to clear any confusion would be for
> the Nomination
> >>> Committee to send out a fresh announcement listing the
> final slate of
> >>> candidates after their considerations have been done.
> >>> Elections Committee should at this point also
> state how the seats would
> >>> be filled so that everyone is clear about that. There
> have been
> >>> suggestions on how to fill the positions; better to
> sort them out now
> >>> rather than waste scarce time on the policy day.
> >>> My suggestion (and I may be biased) is this:
> >>> Since a current co-chair (Sami) is running, show of
> hands to see if the
> >>> working group is in support of Sami retaining his seat.
> If majority in
> >>> support of Sami continuing, then remainder of the
> election is for one
> >>> seat going to whichever of the remaining candidates has
> the maximum votes.
> >>> If the outcome of the first vote is not in favour
> of current co-chair
> >>> taking a seat by default, then second round of voting
> can be for 2 seats
> >>> possibly using the option of higher votes getting the
> longer term.
> >>> Again, this is just my point of view.
> >>> Regards,
> >>> Dewole.
> >>> On 6/8/2019 5:25 PM, Ish Sookun wrote:
> >>> > Hi Serge,
> >>> >
> >>> > On 6/8/19 2:21 PM, Iyedi Goma wrote:
> >>> >> The Nomination Committee reviewed the nomination of
> the persons who
> >>> >> submitted their documentation. The Nomination
> Committee Chair contacted
> >>> >> each nominee to notify him/her of the decision.
> >>> >>
> >>> > Is this particular update referring to all the
> nominees, nominees that
> >>> > complained or only nominees that remained after the
> NomCom filter.
> >>> >
> >>> > The text "persons who submitted their documentation"
> requires more
> >>> > clarity IMHO.
> >>> >
> >>> > Regards,
> >>> >
> >>> > Ish Sookun
> >>> >
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