Hi Frank,
El 18/5/19 14:11, "Frank Habicht" <geier at geier.ne.tz> escribió:
Hi all,
On 17/05/2019 21:06, JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD wrote:
...> 3) The consensus is determined only in the meeting (there is no
> timing for the discussion in the list) and consequently there is not
> a way to determine consensus from the list.
I read
"At the end of meeting or after the adoption phase of a policy proposal,
the Chairs will decide if the working group has reached consensus within
2 weeks."
as meaning that the PDWG chairs have the possibility to do declare
consensus in the meeting without asking the mailing list.
This was introduced after I suggested it, and it is very easy to understand it. If the chairs need to decide in 2-minutes during the meeting, it is more difficult to do a good work on that decision.
This is related to my previous request that the PDP also explicitly "count" the participants in the mailing list that can't come to meetings. This makes a bit more complex to decide on the spot during the meeting.
This is not saying that if the chairs have already a clear decision they can still state it in the list, but otherwise, they can think about it during a maximum of two weeks.
This is something that I introduced in the LACNIC PDP about 2 years ago and I think it has been very good. Now in LACNIC the chairs need to take in consideration the list, and they aren't "forced" to take a quick decision, especially because the policy can still be in the discussion period (which in LACNIC is now 8 weeks), and the meeting can be in the "middle" of that period.
It is true, that in this AFRINIC proposal, other broken things (as I already explained), make it a bit strange to understand.
And I don't like it.
So much that I had to drop everything and voice my opposition to this
proposed change.
Please note: I also think that all the other points Jordi raises are
very valid and important. But this one is a very big change. And as
mentioned, I oppose.
If someone wants my proposal for improvement of this one part:
replace
"At the end of meeting or after the adoption phase of a policy proposal,
the Chairs will decide if the working group has reached consensus within
2 weeks."
with
"At the end of a meeting the chairs may pronounce their intentions, in
case there are no further substation developments regarding this policy
on the mailing list.
I will not do so, it may bias the rest of the diccussion!
A final review of the draft policy is initiated by the Working Group
Chair(s) by sending an announcement to the Resource Policy Discussion
mailing list, preferably as soon as possible after the Public Policy
Meeting. The Last Call period shall be at least two weeks. The Working
Group Chair(s) shall evaluate the feedback received during the Public
Policy Meeting and during this period and decide whether consensus has
been achieved."
I still think that this proposal is way too complex and will not facilitate the participation, but instead on the other way around. AFRINIC needs a simple process as we already have, just small retouches to make it sufficiently good.
Thanks,
Frank
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