[rpd] [arin-ppml] Micfo

Thu May 16 19:03:29 UTC 2019

Benjamin,

I observe you do not qualify to live and mingle with civilise humans. Whenever you lack the capacity to engage in meaningful discourse, you resolve to abuses and use of uncouth language. 

I can see you your potential as a terrorist, for inciting the community against an entire country because of your disdain for them and the lies you keep spreading. 
Reasonable people will continue to engage with the community within acceptable norms. For you you can continue with your ATTACK.

Simply,
Daniel

On May 16, 2019, at 2:51 PM, Benjamin Ledoh <benjamin.ledoh at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Proponents of Review Policy,
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> It seems to me that the opponents of the review have trapped you with the FAKE ISSUE OF THE USERS being disconnected and you are following them. WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!
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> Are we suggesting that for the sake of the users, AFRINIC community should allow the crooks to keep the resources acquired fraudulently from AFRINIC? How long does it take to switch to another IPS when one goes down? Don’t we have in our countries laws to deal with an IPS if he fails to go according to a signed SLA? Let us stop discussion and rather be tough on them.
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> These opponents of the review policy think that members of this community have no sense of rationality and therefore want to create haven for the crooks so that they can enjoy here. Unfortunately, my few brothers Nigerian on this mailing list are following them just to benefit a sponsorship to AIS of AFRINIC meeting.
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> PROPONENTS OF THIS POLICY WAKE UP AND FIGHT THEM!!!!!!!!!
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> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 10:00 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ via RPD <rpd at afrinic.net> wrote:
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> El 16/5/19 11:15, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> escribió:
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> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 11:46 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
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> El 16/5/19 10:36, "Noah" <noah at neo.co.tz> escribió:
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> On Thu, May 16, 2019 at 11:16 AM JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es> wrote:
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> I said “new” policy. This was written long time ago, not doing random audits. The overall goal is to review when there is a reason to believe that something is wrong.
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> Yes you said new policy hence my question to you Jordi, considering the fact you are an active policy proposer of various new policy which stem from issues you seem to always identify and see the need to fix.
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> Not sure what is the question, but let me express this:
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> In general, I would only propose a policy if there is something really “wrong” or “broken” in existing policies or legal documents. In all the RIRs there is a lack of participation from the community, having more policies will not help (on the other way around). So, if a policy is not really needed, I will prefer not to submit it.
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> I don’t think this is not fixed already in AFRINIC, that’s why I think this proposal is not needed.
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> On the other hand, the policy authors and supporters of the proposal think otherwise.
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> I see that, but I don’t see an ample community support, and instead a wide opposition.
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> All the RIRs can actually do that, even if there is not a policy. Membership agreement, service agreement, and sometimes other policies, already detail it.
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> Looks like only ARIN is willing too....maybe other RIR can pick some lessons.
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> All the RIRs do that. However, I don’t think they publicly will provide all the information of each case.
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> Wouldn't it be better to be transparent with such cases like in the case of ARIN.
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> Fully agree.
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> The specific point about the recent new from this ARIN case is the “size” of it. There are plenty of investigations and recoveries in every RIR, they aren’t publicly presented. A big “case” captures press attention as well.
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> Maybe we can ask AFRINIC staff, without disclosing confidential info, how many recovery cases have been investigated in the last few years.
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> What I know is AfriNIC does publish only recovery records of member closures as per below link. 
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> https://afrinic.net/stats/closures
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> I think it clearly demonstrates that AFRINIC is doing his job.
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> So maybe we should indeed request AfriNIC to inform if there has ever been any other recoveries beyond closure.
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> My guess, but it will be good to get a staff response, is that those are distributed already among the reclaimed and the voluntary cases. If AFRINIC founds a fraud, it can:
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> The point is how much power and cost this policy brings.
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> There has been ongoing discussions among the working group to continue improving the said policy.
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> And that’s the problem, the policy is discussing about a level of problem that is very expensive for both AFRINIC and the community, without a real reason for it.
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> The issue of the process being expensive can be left to AfriNIC to determine imho.
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> We need to see the impact analysis on this point.
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