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[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 140, Issue 10

Kossi Amessinou amessinoukossi at gmail.com
Tue May 8 15:01:19 UTC 2018 

Dear all
I am agree that this proposor
"  2.3 Local Internet Registry (LIR)

A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that receives allocations from an
RIR and primarily assigns address space to 'end-users'. LIRs are generally
ISPs. Their customers are other ISPs and possibly end-users. LIRs must be
members of AFRINIC and are the only way to allocate resources within the
AfriNIC service region."

can prevent the problem of bad manipulation of our community IP ressource
on the futur.

We must make precision on the policy for the community. ! It will better
also to say that the NIR can not get and use internet ressource in Afrinic
region!
Thank you.


2018-05-08 14:03 GMT+01:00 <rpd-request at afrinic.net>:

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> Date: Tue, 08 May 2018 12:28:42 +0000
> From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
> To: AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>,
>         <community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] proposition de politique
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> When I said bylaws, I was actually thinking in membership agreement, but
> actually either way (or both) may work.
>
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> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
>
>
>
>
> De: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <jordi.palet at consulintel.es>
> Fecha: martes, 8 de mayo de 2018, 12:26
> Para: AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>, <
> community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Asunto: Re: [rpd] proposition de politique
>
>
>
> I?ve also the same opinion, in general NIRs are not needed, but I have the
> feeling that this may be beyond the scope of AfriNIC.
>
>
>
> What happen if a country law mandate it? Then AfriNIC members of that
> country will be mandated by law to go via the NIR.
>
>
>
> Of course, you can ?strongly discourage? it by means of pieces:
>
> 1)      AfriNIC bylaws disallowing NIRs.
>
> 2)      There is no mention of NIR in the policy manual, I just looked at
> it, so if you can reinforce that with a policy proposal that specifically
> modify the existing definition of LIR.
>
>
>
> Actual text:
>
>
>
> 2.3 Local Internet Registry (LIR)
>
> A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that receives allocations from an
> RIR and primarily assigns address space to 'end-users'. LIRs are generally
> ISPs. Their customers are other ISPs and possibly end-users. LIRs must be
> members of AFRINIC.
>
>
>
> Proposed text:
>
>
>
> 2.3 Local Internet Registry (LIR)
>
> A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that receives allocations from an
> RIR and primarily assigns address space to 'end-users'. LIRs are generally
> ISPs. Their customers are other ISPs and possibly end-users. LIRs must be
> members of AFRINIC and are the only way to allocate resources within the
> AfriNIC service region.
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Jordi
>
>
>
>
>
> De: Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za>
> Organizaci?n: Posix Systems
> Responder a: <mje at posix.co.za>
> Fecha: martes, 8 de mayo de 2018, 12:16
> Para: AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>, <
> community-discuss at afrinic.net>
> Asunto: Re: [rpd] proposition de politique
>
>
>
> Totally agree with you. I believe that NIRs would potentially break (harm)
> the whole bottom-up approach. They could also have different policies and
> it also potentially breaks ISP's that have cross-border activities. I like
> it that AfriNIC currently has no NIRs.
>
>
>
> On 08/05/2018 13:23, Kossi Amessinou wrote:
>
> Bonsoir ? tous,
>
> Il appara?t urgent pour notre communaut? de veiller ? ce que le principe
> de la mise en place des NIR par pays soit supprim?. Il faut retenir comme
> principe le mod?le LIR et End User pour notre r?gion (RIR). Il faut
> emp?cher les gouvernements et les r?gulateurs d'avoir une action
> pr?pond?rante sur internet en les d?courageant de mettre en place des NIR.
> M?me si des lois sont pris dans des pays, la communaut? doit rester plus
> forte pour que internet reste un bien public international inali?nable.
>
> En conclusion, dans notre r?gion, je recommande que nous ayons un RIR
> avec  des LIR et des End User. Il faut supprimer les NIR. Merci.
>
>
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> From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> To: "amessinoukossi at gmail.com" <amessinoukossi at gmail.com>, AfriNIC
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> While I do not support the concept of NIR?s ? the strongest argument
> against the NIR?s is to prove the bottom up approach is functional and
> works correctly.
>
> That means:
>
>
>   1.  A PDP that is not tied to geopolitical/linguistic politics and where
> location of author means more than the policy itself
>   2.  A functional RIR where the board supports the bottom up approach and
> is entirely transparent in everything it does
>   3.  A cost base that makes it non-viable for an NIR to function in a
> competitive manner
>   4.  Policies within the RIR that benefit the entire continent and not
> just segments of it
>   5.  The ability of members to source IP space beyond the RIR if the RIR
> cannot supply their needs
>
> Basically ? if you want to fight the NIR system ? the way to do that is to
> have a strong, functional and united RIR ? and right now ? I don?t believe
> we have anything close to that ? so ? rather than fight the NIR systems ?
> how about we fix AfriNIC instead?
>
> Andrew
>
>
> From: Kossi Amessinou [mailto:amessinoukossi at gmail.com]
> Sent: 08 May 2018 14:23
> To: AfriNIC Resource Policy <rpd at afrinic.net>;
> community-discuss at afrinic.net
> Subject: [rpd] proposition de politique
>
> Bonsoir ? tous,
> Il appara?t urgent pour notre communaut? de veiller ? ce que le principe
> de la mise en place des NIR par pays soit supprim?. Il faut retenir comme
> principe le mod?le LIR et End User pour notre r?gion (RIR). Il faut
> emp?cher les gouvernements et les r?gulateurs d'avoir une action
> pr?pond?rante sur internet en les d?courageant de mettre en place des NIR.
> M?me si des lois sont pris dans des pays, la communaut? doit rester plus
> forte pour que internet reste un bien public international inali?nable.
> En conclusion, dans notre r?gion, je recommande que nous ayons un RIR
> avec  des LIR et des End User. Il faut supprimer les NIR. Merci.
>
> --
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