<div dir="ltr">Dear all<div>I am agree that this proposor </div><div>"
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From: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: [rpd] proposition de politique<br>
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When I said bylaws, I was actually thinking in membership agreement, but actually either way (or both) may work.<br>
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De: JORDI PALET MARTINEZ <<a href="mailto:jordi.palet@consulintel.es">jordi.palet@consulintel.es</a>><br>
Fecha: martes, 8 de mayo de 2018, 12:26<br>
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Asunto: Re: [rpd] proposition de politique<br>
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I?ve also the same opinion, in general NIRs are not needed, but I have the feeling that this may be beyond the scope of AfriNIC.<br>
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What happen if a country law mandate it? Then AfriNIC members of that country will be mandated by law to go via the NIR.<br>
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Of course, you can ?strongly discourage? it by means of pieces:<br>
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1) AfriNIC bylaws disallowing NIRs.<br>
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2) There is no mention of NIR in the policy manual, I just looked at it, so if you can reinforce that with a policy proposal that specifically modify the existing definition of LIR.<br>
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2.3 Local Internet Registry (LIR)<br>
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A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that receives allocations from an RIR and primarily assigns address space to 'end-users'. LIRs are generally ISPs. Their customers are other ISPs and possibly end-users. LIRs must be members of AFRINIC.<br>
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2.3 Local Internet Registry (LIR)<br>
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A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that receives allocations from an RIR and primarily assigns address space to 'end-users'. LIRs are generally ISPs. Their customers are other ISPs and possibly end-users. LIRs must be members of AFRINIC and are the only way to allocate resources within the AfriNIC service region.<br>
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Fecha: martes, 8 de mayo de 2018, 12:16<br>
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Asunto: Re: [rpd] proposition de politique<br>
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Totally agree with you. I believe that NIRs would potentially break (harm) the whole bottom-up approach. They could also have different policies and it also potentially breaks ISP's that have cross-border activities. I like it that AfriNIC currently has no NIRs.<br>
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On 08/05/2018 13:23, Kossi Amessinou wrote:<br>
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Bonsoir ? tous, <br>
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Il appara?t urgent pour notre communaut? de veiller ? ce que le principe de la mise en place des NIR par pays soit supprim?. Il faut retenir comme principe le mod?le LIR et End User pour notre r?gion (RIR). Il faut emp?cher les gouvernements et les r?gulateurs d'avoir une action pr?pond?rante sur internet en les d?courageant de mettre en place des NIR. M?me si des lois sont pris dans des pays, la communaut? doit rester plus forte pour que internet reste un bien public international inali?nable. <br>
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En conclusion, dans notre r?gion, je recommande que nous ayons un RIR avec des LIR et des End User. Il faut supprimer les NIR. Merci.<br>
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While I do not support the concept of NIR?s ? the strongest argument against the NIR?s is to prove the bottom up approach is functional and works correctly.<br>
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That means:<br>
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1. A PDP that is not tied to geopolitical/linguistic politics and where location of author means more than the policy itself<br>
2. A functional RIR where the board supports the bottom up approach and is entirely transparent in everything it does<br>
3. A cost base that makes it non-viable for an NIR to function in a competitive manner<br>
4. Policies within the RIR that benefit the entire continent and not just segments of it<br>
5. The ability of members to source IP space beyond the RIR if the RIR cannot supply their needs<br>
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Basically ? if you want to fight the NIR system ? the way to do that is to have a strong, functional and united RIR ? and right now ? I don?t believe we have anything close to that ? so ? rather than fight the NIR systems ? how about we fix AfriNIC instead?<br>
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Subject: [rpd] proposition de politique<br>
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Bonsoir ? tous,<br>
Il appara?t urgent pour notre communaut? de veiller ? ce que le principe de la mise en place des NIR par pays soit supprim?. Il faut retenir comme principe le mod?le LIR et End User pour notre r?gion (RIR). Il faut emp?cher les gouvernements et les r?gulateurs d'avoir une action pr?pond?rante sur internet en les d?courageant de mettre en place des NIR. M?me si des lois sont pris dans des pays, la communaut? doit rester plus forte pour que internet reste un bien public international inali?nable.<br>
En conclusion, dans notre r?gion, je recommande que nous ayons un RIR avec des LIR et des End User. Il faut supprimer les NIR. Merci.<br>
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