[rpd] Two more petitioners

Thu Dec 21 07:38:35 UTC 2017

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> On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:35, Mark Elkins <mje at posix.co.za> wrote:
> 
> Writing Andrews argument a little differently and using the Food analogy..
> 
> There are a number of organisations feeding people. Some are big  and some are small. There is a lightly hood that the bigger organisations feed multiple communities (multiple countries) and due to size, are more efficient (less wasteful) at doing so.
> 
> However, the central food dispensary gives the same amount of food per organisation. The smaller organisations are therefore lightly to not pass on this food quickly/efficiently to those in need where as the larger organisations will.
> 
> What is the better solution for the majority of the hungry people?   <-- I think this is what people should consider the most!
> 
> With the existing soft-landing that is in place today, there is still a reserve that can (and I believe, should) be used by the current small (perhaps up to a total of a /20 ?) and new members. That would keep small and new folk going for an additional year or so past the depletion of the bulk of the space left.
> 
> Once there is no significant IPv4 left, people will be forced to move to using IPv6. New members in a year or so will wonder what all the fuss is about - as IPv6 only works just fine. We really need to "eat" the existing IPv4 up quickly (in a responsible way, using the current policy) in order to leave no alternative except IPv6 deployment. Then, everybody wins.
> 
> 
> On 21/12/2017 08:57, Andrew Alston wrote:
>> So yes if you need a /11 you will instead get a /18 but it will allow
>> 127 more companies to get a /18. Does this sound unreasonable (during
>> a scarcity)?
>> 
>> Actually – if one company is doing 20+ thousand new subscribers a month – and the other company is doing 500 subscribers a month – or in the case of a certain network run by a certain author – doing no connections for many years and leaving only 25% of a /22 announced since the day they got the space – it sounds ENTIRELY reasonable that the company that is connecting African citizens who need connectivity *today* gets the space.
>>  
>> But – I guess for some this is all about their companies – forget the consumers that actually need to be connections today – forget the fact that we are meant to be trying to increase African penetration levels – TODAY – forget the fact that while space languishes unused it is the consumers who are disadvantaged – let’s just lock it all up forever more to  feel good that we have some IPs in the proverbial bank.
>>  
>> Sounds to be a little like a food bank for starving people that decides because there could be more starving people tomorrow – the ones who are hungry today get to go without.
>> 
>> J
>> 
>> > From: Jacob Odame [mailto:jacobodame00 at gmail.com <mailto:jacobodame00 at gmail.com>]
>> > Sent: 19 December 2017 09:53 AM
>> > To: Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com> <mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>
>> > Cc: AfriNIC Board of Directors' List <board at afrinic.net> <mailto:board at afrinic.net>; ceo at afrinic.net <mailto:ceo at afrinic.net>;
>> > rpd <rpd at afrinic.net> <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners
>> >
>> > These arguments make sense.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> >
>> > Jacob
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com> <mailto:jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Andrew Alston
>> > <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
>> >> While I am sorely tempted to respond point to point in your email and give
>> >> you a lesson in facts - I will not dignify this nonesense with such.
>> >
>> > You are the convener of opposers. I am open to read those facts.
>> >
>> >> I will however say this - this is the second time you have introduced a
>> >> racially biased context into the PDP - and discounted the will of a
>> >> significant portion of the member base - based of blatant unsubstantiated
>> >> and inaccurate prejudice
>> >
>> > Thank you for the comment.
>> >
>> > The operative words in your comments are :- THE WILL OF A SIGNIFICANT
>> > PORTION OF THE MEMBER BASE
>> >
>> > You see this is where the crux of your argument lies and where the problem
>> > is.
>> >
>> > In your other email you state this same notion that those opposing
>> > contribute 30% of AfriNIC revenue.
>> >
>> > - AfriNIC is a non profit company managing a critical resource (IPs)
>> > that is the engine of the internet which the UN already declared a
>> > basic human right.
>> > - Because of this very nature AfriNIC cant sell IPs to highest
>> > bidders in an open market when those highest bidders pay the most
>> > revenue. Otherwise yes I will state again that if this was the case
>> > South Africa as the strongest economy (or one of the strongest) would
>> > just buy off AfriNIC and its miniature IPs and game closed.
>> > - You ostentatiously state that every country should be heard equally.
>> > Thank you for ignoring the fact that the internet penetration rates
>> > and state of the economy in South Africa (where you have convened the
>> > largest opposition) - although it can be better - is light years ahead
>> > of the other 53 African economies whose interests this policy proposal
>> > is trying to protect. To burry your head in the sand and ignore these
>> > realities does not take them away.
>> >
>> > J
>> >
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