<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">+1<br class=""><div style=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 21, 2017, at 11:35, Mark Elkins <<a href="mailto:mje@posix.co.za" class="">mje@posix.co.za</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Writing Andrews argument a little differently and using the Food analogy..</p><p style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">There are a number of organisations feeding people. Some are big and some are small. There is a lightly hood that the bigger organisations feed multiple communities (multiple countries) and due to size, are more efficient (less wasteful) at doing so.</p><p style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">However, the central food dispensary gives the same amount of food per organisation. The smaller organisations are therefore lightly to not pass on this food quickly/efficiently to those in need where as the larger organisations will.</p><p style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">What is the better solution for the majority of the hungry people? <-- I think this is what people should consider the most!<br class=""></p><p style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">With the existing soft-landing that is in place today, there is still a reserve that can (and I believe, should) be used by the current small (perhaps up to a total of a /20 ?) and new members. That would keep small and new folk going for an additional year or so past the depletion of the bulk of the space left.<br class=""></p><p style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">Once there is no significant IPv4 left, people will be forced to move to using IPv6. New members in a year or so will wonder what all the fuss is about - as IPv6 only works just fine. We really need to "eat" the existing IPv4 up quickly (in a responsible way, using the current policy) in order to leave no alternative except IPv6 deployment. Then, everybody wins.<br class=""></p><br style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div class="moz-cite-prefix" style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);">On 21/12/2017 08:57, Andrew Alston wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:70486D5C-6306-4EB7-B788-C0453DB8BEF3@liquidtelecom.com" style="font-family: Helvetica-Light; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><ul type="disc" style="margin-bottom: 0cm; margin-top: 0cm;" class=""><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;">So yes if you need a /11 you will instead get a /18 but it will allow<br class="">127 more companies to get a /18. Does this sound unreasonable (during<br class="">a scarcity)?<br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></li></ul><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 18pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Actually – if one company is doing 20+ thousand new subscribers a month – and the other company is doing 500 subscribers a month – or in the case of a certain network run by a certain author – doing no connections for many years and leaving only 25% of a /22 announced since the day they got the space – it sounds ENTIRELY reasonable that the company that is connecting African citizens who need connectivity *<b class="">today</b>* gets the space.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 18pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 18pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">But – I guess for some this is all about their companies – forget the consumers that actually need to be connections today – forget the fact that we are meant to be trying to increase African penetration levels – TODAY – forget the fact that while space languishes unused it is the consumers who are disadvantaged – let’s just lock it all up forever more to feel good that we have some IPs in the proverbial bank.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 18pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 18pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Sounds to be a little like a food bank for starving people that decides because there could be more starving people tomorrow – the ones who are hungry today get to go without.<o:p class=""></o:p></div><div style="margin: 0cm 0cm 0.0001pt 18pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><br class="">J<br class=""><br class="">> From: Jacob Odame [<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="mailto:jacobodame00@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">mailto:jacobodame00@gmail.com</a>]<br class="">> Sent: 19 December 2017 09:53 AM<br class="">> To: Jackson Muthili<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><jacksonmuthi@gmail.com></a><br class="">> Cc: AfriNIC Board of Directors' List<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:board@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><board@afrinic.net></a>;<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:ceo@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">ceo@afrinic.net</a>;<br class="">> rpd<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><rpd@afrinic.net></a><br class="">> Subject: Re: [rpd] Two more petitioners<br class="">><br class="">> These arguments make sense.<br class="">><br class="">> Cheers<br class="">><br class="">> Jacob<br class="">><br class="">> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 10:37 AM, Jackson Muthili<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jacksonmuthi@gmail.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><jacksonmuthi@gmail.com></a><br class="">> wrote:<br class="">><br class="">> On Tue, Dec 19, 2017 at 12:55 AM, Andrew Alston<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;"><Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com></a><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>wrote:<br class="">>> While I am sorely tempted to respond point to point in your email and give<br class="">>> you a lesson in facts - I will not dignify this nonesense with such.<br class="">><br class="">> You are the convener of opposers. I am open to read those facts.<br class="">><br class="">>> I will however say this - this is the second time you have introduced a<br class="">>> racially biased context into the PDP - and discounted the will of a<br class="">>> significant portion of the member base - based of blatant unsubstantiated<br class="">>> and inaccurate prejudice<br class="">><br class="">> Thank you for the comment.<br class="">><br class="">> The operative words in your comments are :- THE WILL OF A SIGNIFICANT<br class="">> PORTION OF THE MEMBER BASE<br class="">><br class="">> You see this is where the crux of your argument lies and where the problem<br class="">> is.<br class="">><br class="">> In your other email you state this same notion that those opposing<br class="">> contribute 30% of AfriNIC revenue.<br class="">><br class="">> - AfriNIC is a non profit company managing a critical resource (IPs)<br class="">> that is the engine of the internet which the UN already declared a<br class="">> basic human right.<br class="">> - Because of this very nature AfriNIC cant sell IPs to highest<br class="">> bidders in an open market when those highest bidders pay the most<br class="">> revenue. Otherwise yes I will state again that if this was the case<br class="">> South Africa as the strongest economy (or one of the strongest) would<br class="">> just buy off AfriNIC and its miniature IPs and game closed.<br class="">> - You ostentatiously state that every country should be heard equally.<br class="">> Thank you for ignoring the fact that the internet penetration rates<br class="">> and state of the economy in South Africa (where you have convened the<br class="">> largest opposition) - although it can be better - is light years ahead<br class="">> of the other 53 African economies whose interests this policy proposal<br class="">> is trying to protect. To burry your head in the sand and ignore these<br class="">> realities does not take them away.<br class="">><br class="">> J<br class="">><br class="">> _______________________________________________<br class="">> RPD mailing list<br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br class="">><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br class="">><br class="">><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">RPD mailing list<br class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br class=""><a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" class="">https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br class=""><br class=""><o:p class=""></o:p></div></div><br class=""><fieldset class="mimeAttachmentHeader"></fieldset><br class=""><pre wrap="" class="">_______________________________________________
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