[rpd] Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft Landing Policy

Thu Dec 7 09:20:38 UTC 2017

Looking at what RIPE, ARIN, or APNIC have done in this context really isn’t applicable or useful.

RIPE and ARIN both faced runout in a situation of near 100% eyeball penetration at the time of entering the runout phase. APNIC didn’t have that, but they did have that across much of the region. Further complicating that, the areas that had low penetration also tended to have low participation in the APNIC policy development process.

AfriNIC, in contrast is far from 100% eyeball penetration even now. Eyeball networks are still aggressively expanding and crippling that expansion with a draconian policy in order to ensure space is available to newcomers decades from now when there is little chance of IPv4 relevance makes no sense whatsoever.

If I were to propose or support a change to the existing soft landing policy, it would be to remove it entirely or at least remove or shorten the reapplication time limits.

An offer to make this proposal a little less harmful than it currently is is a little bit like King Herod’s offer to cut the baby in half to resolve a custody dispute.

Owen

> On Dec 6, 2017, at 22:45 , Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Yes that is somewhat different in that it proposes a reduction from /22 to /24 while current softlanding proposal proposes a reduction from /13 to /18 which is still way more than what RIPE provides, with option to receive more than once.
> 
> The PDWG may want to consider if staying in the middle say /16 serves as a compromise for all.
> 
> Regards
> Sent from my mobile
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
> 
> On Dec 7, 2017 6:38 AM, "John Hay" <jhay at meraka.csir.co.za <mailto:jhay at meraka.csir.co.za>> wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> A while back someone noted that RIPE was also busy with something similar, although not exactly the same. After a long debate the proposal was withdrawn. You can read the proposal and discussion from the links below.
> 
> https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/archived-policy-proposals/archive-policy-proposals/ <https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/archived-policy-proposals/archive-policy-proposals/>
> 
> You can follow the thread here in the September and October 2017 archives:
> 
> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/ <https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/>
> 
> I'm against the proposed changes to the Soft Landing policy. I really do not think it will do anything to promote IPv6 roll out and I think it will slow down Internet roll outs to the people in Africa.
> 
> PS. Neither me nor the organisation I work for will benefit either way.
> 
> Regards
> 
> John
> 
> 
> 
> On 6 December 2017 at 22:33, Christian Ahiauzu <christian.ahiauzu at uniport.edu.ng <mailto:christian.ahiauzu at uniport.edu.ng>> wrote:
> Hi Owen,
> 
> I believe you did in the best way you can. Even though I don't agree with you on this, I respect your views.
> 
> BR
> 
> Christian.
> 
> On Dec 6, 2017 6:31 PM, "Owen DeLong" <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
> Christian,
> 
> I believe I previously answered your question below about why we need the appeal this time.
> 
> If that isn’t a sufficient answer, let me know and I will attempt to reiterate things more clearly.
> 
> Owen
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2017, at 01:07 , Christian Ahiauzu <christian.ahiauzu at uniport.edu.ng <mailto:christian.ahiauzu at uniport.edu.ng>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> In fact, I have been wondering what the last call period is for. Please put me on the right lane. Is the last call period not meant to check if there are still any objections to the policy proposal under discuss? If my postulation is true, then it means if sustained objections are found at this point, then the policy will likely not be sent for ratification by the board.
>> 
>> If all the above be the case, then was there actually any need for invoking an appeal process at this point? Why didn't we just get further  objections to the policy proposed and discuss way forward. I am really lost here and need clarification especially from Andrew who initiated the Appeal process.
>> 
>> BR
>> Christian.
>> 
>> On Dec 6, 2017 8:17 AM, "Alan Levin" <alan at futureperfect.co.za <mailto:alan at futureperfect.co.za>> wrote:
>> Oops sorry I wasn't finished..
>> 
>> On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Alan Levin <alan at futureperfect.co.za <mailto:alan at futureperfect.co.za>> wrote:
>> I am surprised that we have not heard from these "Chairs", in fact I had to look up who the chairs actually are...
>> 
>> I believe that this page shows: https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/pdwg <https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/pdwg>
>> 
>> 1. Dewole Ajao
>> 2. Sami Salih
>> 
>> Gentlemen, we clearly require your leadership here. 
>> 
>> Whilst I see the Board has been acquiring legal assistance to deal with their own group, we really don't want to get to that level here please. 
>> 
>> Dewole, Sami - you do not have sufficient support for this policy, please end this discussion and start a new one!
>> 
>> Kind thanks
>> 
>> Alan
>> 
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