<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Looking at what RIPE, ARIN, or APNIC have done in this context really isn’t applicable or useful.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">RIPE and ARIN both faced runout in a situation of near 100% eyeball penetration at the time of entering the runout phase. APNIC didn’t have that, but they did have that across much of the region. Further complicating that, the areas that had low penetration also tended to have low participation in the APNIC policy development process.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">AfriNIC, in contrast is far from 100% eyeball penetration even now. Eyeball networks are still aggressively expanding and crippling that expansion with a draconian policy in order to ensure space is available to newcomers decades from now when there is little chance of IPv4 relevance makes no sense whatsoever.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If I were to propose or support a change to the existing soft landing policy, it would be to remove it entirely or at least remove or shorten the reapplication time limits.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">An offer to make this proposal a little less harmful than it currently is is a little bit like King Herod’s offer to cut the baby in half to resolve a custody dispute.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 6, 2017, at 22:45 , Seun Ojedeji <<a href="mailto:seun.ojedeji@gmail.com" class="">seun.ojedeji@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="auto" class="">Hello,<div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">Yes that is somewhat different in that it proposes a reduction from /22 to /24 while current softlanding proposal proposes a reduction from /13 to /18 which is still way more than what RIPE provides, with option to receive more than once.</div><div dir="auto" class=""><br class=""></div><div dir="auto" class="">The PDWG may want to consider if staying in the middle say /16 serves as a compromise for all.<br class=""><br class="">Regards<br class=""><div data-smartmail="gmail_signature" dir="auto" class="">Sent from my mobile<br class="">Kindly excuse brevity and typos</div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 7, 2017 6:38 AM, "John Hay" <<a href="mailto:jhay@meraka.csir.co.za" class="">jhay@meraka.csir.co.za</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="">Hi All,<br class=""><br class=""></div>A while back someone noted that RIPE was also busy with something similar, although not exactly the same. After a long debate the proposal was withdrawn. You can read the proposal and discussion from the links below.<br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><a href="https://www.ripe.net/participate/policies/archived-policy-proposals/archive-policy-proposals/" target="_blank" class=""><span id="m_-5865831670604332020:mjr.1" class="">https</span>://www.ripe.net/participa<wbr class="">te/policies/archived-policy-<wbr class="">proposals/archive-policy-<wbr class="">proposals/</a><br class=""><br class="">You can follow the thread here in the September and October 2017 archives:<br class=""><br class=""><a href="https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/address-policy-wg/" target="_blank" class=""><span id="m_-5865831670604332020:mjr.2" class="">https</span>://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail<wbr class="">/archives/address-policy-<span id="m_-5865831670604332020:mjr.3" class="">wg</span>/</a><br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I'm against the proposed changes to the Soft Landing policy. I really do not think it will do anything to promote IPv6 roll out and I think it will slow down Internet roll outs to the people in Africa.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">PS. Neither me nor the organisation I work for will benefit either way.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Regards</div><font color="#888888" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">John</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></font></div></div><div class="elided-text"><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On 6 December 2017 at 22:33, Christian Ahiauzu <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:christian.ahiauzu@uniport.edu.ng" target="_blank" class="">christian.ahiauzu@uniport.<wbr class="">edu.ng</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr" class="">Hi Owen,</p><p dir="ltr" class="">I believe you did in the best way you can. Even though I don't agree with you on this, I respect your views.</p><p dir="ltr" class="">BR</p><span class="m_-5865831670604332020HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">Christian.</p></font></span><div class="m_-5865831670604332020HOEnZb"><div class="m_-5865831670604332020h5">
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 6, 2017 6:31 PM, "Owen DeLong" <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com" target="_blank" class="">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word" class="">Christian,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I believe I previously answered your question below about why we need the appeal this time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If that isn’t a sufficient answer, let me know and I will attempt to reiterate things more clearly.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Dec 6, 2017, at 01:07 , Christian Ahiauzu <<a href="mailto:christian.ahiauzu@uniport.edu.ng" target="_blank" class="">christian.ahiauzu@uniport.edu<wbr class="">.ng</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-5865831670604332020m_-4995774915559126169m_-9108639571621516395Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p dir="ltr" class="">Hi all,</p><p dir="ltr" class="">In fact, I have been wondering what the last call period is for. Please put me on the right lane. Is the last call period not meant to check if there are still any objections to the policy proposal under discuss? If my postulation is true, then it means if sustained objections are found at this point, then the policy will likely not be sent for ratification by the board. </p><p dir="ltr" class="">If all the above be the case, then was there actually any need for invoking an appeal process at this point? Why didn't we just get further objections to the policy proposed and discuss way forward. I am really lost here and need clarification especially from Andrew who initiated the Appeal process.</p><p dir="ltr" class="">BR<br class="">
Christian.</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 6, 2017 8:17 AM, "Alan Levin" <<a href="mailto:alan@futureperfect.co.za" target="_blank" class="">alan@futureperfect.co.za</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution" class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class="">Oops sorry I wasn't finished..<div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 6, 2017 at 9:08 AM, Alan Levin <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:alan@futureperfect.co.za" target="_blank" class="">alan@futureperfect.co.za</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="m_-5865831670604332020m_-4995774915559126169m_-9108639571621516395m_-8174643872596108055gmail-"><div class="">I am surprised that we have not heard from these "Chairs", in fact I had to look up who the chairs actually are...<br class=""></div></span><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I believe that this page shows: <a href="https://afrinic.net/en/community/policy-development/pdwg" target="_blank" class="">https://afrinic.net/en/<wbr class="">community/policy-development/p<wbr class="">dwg</a></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>1. Dewole Ajao</div></div></div></blockquote><div class="">2. Sami Salih<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Gentlemen, we clearly require your leadership here. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Whilst I see the Board has been acquiring legal assistance to deal with their own group, we really don't want to get to that level here please. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Dewole, Sami - you do not have sufficient support for this policy, please end this discussion and start a new one!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Kind thanks</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Alan</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""> </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div></div></div></div>
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