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grace mupoyi
gracemupoyi at gmail.com
Mon Dec 4 20:19:42 UTC 2017
Hi all,
I really appreciate To see people reaction regarding AfriNIC 27 Logos
meeting. We was not there but reading all this mail, we can feel it was
successful meeting and it was one spirit like person. Hope we will
maintain Lagos meeting spirit for the interest of the contents not
individual.
I am also sorry being at Afrinic mailing list but I couldn't react on mails
because of the lack of courtesy from the minority of the community members.
Now, seeing all beautiful reaction I am oblige To react on mail and urge
all to maintain a positive and constructive discussion focusing on issues
not subjective argument and individual.
Regards
Grace Mupoyi N.
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> 1. Re: FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft Landing
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> 2. Re: RPD Digest, Vol 135, Issue 16 (grace mupoyi)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 4 Dec 2017 19:24:10 +0000
> From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>, Mike Silber
> <silber.mike at gmail.com>
> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
> Landing Policy
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> On further thought - the other option is if people want to insist on a
> negotiated point to get to the indication that the status quo is where we
> are going to sit - I would be more than happy to reintroduce the repeal
> policy just so that we can argue from both extremes of the spectrum and end
> up in the middle - which is the current status quo.
>
> Would rather we didn?t go down that road though because I think it is a
> total waste of everyone?s time - but if that is what it takes - and that is
> what people want - let me know - happy to do It
>
> Andrew
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> From: Andrew Alston
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 10:21:13 PM
> To: Badru Ntege; Mike Silber
> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
> Landing Policy
>
> Badru the review on existent policy is unlikely to go anywhere because of
> fundamental differences in ideology.
>
> The reality is that one very large portion of the member base will oppose
> tightening the restrictions - another portion is hell bent on doing exactly
> that - the compromise position is the current policy.
>
> That is why my co-authors and I withdrew our repeal policy - because we
> were prepared to compromise - the conpromise was the status quo.
>
> I don?t see any hope for changing soft landing when considering this - the
> only question is if the authors of the bis policy are to proud to admit
> that a good portion of this industry is never going to support this and if
> they keep fighting for a policy that will never and can never be reality -
> or if they do what is right and stand down and withdraw - as they have been
> requested to meeting after meeting - and as they were going to do in
> Mauritius as requested by the floor
>
> Andrew
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> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> Sent: Monday, December 4, 2017 9:59:04 PM
> To: Mike Silber
> Cc: AfriNIC Resource Policy Discussion List
> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
> Landing Policy
>
> Ok
>
> Now that we are getting dialogue. I?m hearing that we want a review on the
> policy in place ???
>
> Would an ammendment of the new policy to cater for those objecting be a
> better use of resources??
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 4 Dec 2017, at 18:35, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com<mailto:
> silber.mike at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Hi Ismail
>
> On 4 Dec 2017, at 17:16, Ismail Settenda <ismail at tispa.or.tz<mailto:ism
> ail at tispa.or.tz>> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Well lets not confuse silence with agreement and seeing the unpleasant
> sentiments...one cant really blame some for keeping quiet.
>
> I for one will support the policy because there is no such policy to deal
> with such a scenario in the first place
>
> I have no problem with your views, but I think you may be confused.
>
> There IS a policy in place: https://www.afrinic.net/
> library/policies/697-ipv4-soft-landing-policy<https://
> www.afrinic.net/library/policies/697-ipv4-soft-landing-policy>
>
> This is a suggestion to amend the existing soft landing policy and making
> it more restrictive.
>
> I have a few issues with the existing policy, but I think it is a
> reasonable compromise in the circumstances.
>
> My objection is to adding further restrictions, as is proposed in the -bis
> proposal.
>
> and the longer we stay without one the more vulnerable we become.
>
> Actually we have one in place, so I am not sure I understand your point.
>
> So I like to think I see the logic in the arguments for the proposal
> however there is s greater danger in having NO measure or policy in place
> rather than have a perfect one in place when it is too late.
>
> Well this is actually what is being discussed here: we have a measure and
> policy in place right now. This is a proposal to refine it further. I have
> yet to see a justification I can accept for the need for such further
> refinement.
>
> Unless I have missed your comment completely, in which case I apologise.
>
> Mike
>
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> From: grace mupoyi <gracemupoyi at gmail.com>
> To: rpd List <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 135, Issue 16
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> Hi all,
>
> I really appreciate To see people reaction regarding AfriNIC 27 Logos
> meeting. We was not there but reading all this mail, we can feel it was
> successful meeting and it was one spirit like person. Hope we will
> maintain Lagos meeting spirit for the interest of the contents not
> individual.
>
> I am also sorry being at Afrinic mailing list but I couldn't react on mails
> because of the lack of courtesy from the minority of the community members.
> Now, seeing all beautiful reaction I am oblige To react on mail and urge
> all to maintain a positive and constructive discussion focusing on issues
> not subjective argument and individual.
>
> Regards
> Grace Mupoyi N.
>
> Le 3 d?c. 2017 5:57 AM, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> a ?crit :
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> > 1. How good was Afrinic-27 ? (afia faith)
> > 2. Re: FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft Landing
> > Policy (Badru Ntege)
> > 3. Re: FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft Landing
> > Policy (Andrew Alston)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 22:46:56 +0000
> > From: afia faith <faithafia at gmail.com>
> > To: "community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>,
> > "rpd at afrinic.net" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > Subject: [rpd] How good was Afrinic-27 ?
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> > Hello Community,
> >
> > As a new comer and a Fellow for Afrinic-27, I can say that I do enjoy the
> > presentation, the discussions and the interaction. It was a great
> > experience. The event was well organized and nobody was left out. Thank
> you
> > team Afrinic and everyone who contributed to this event. I hope the
> coming
> > year, we will go more stronger and we will have more delegates.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Afi.
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> > Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 03:56:04 +0000
> > From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> > To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> > Cc: Afrinic RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
> > Landing Policy
> > Message-ID: <69E37C43-AEBB-4A42-8A27-2D2D1F0159C7 at nftconsult.com>
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> > Since these are expressions and the authors have chosen to use a channel
> > out of the RPD then other members could see it as noise.
> > Appreciate and note the expressions however continue with information and
> > discussion in the RPD.
> >
> > Let?s not innovate creative channels. There processes to introduce
> change
> > if members wish to introduce petitions.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 3 Dec 2017, at 03:24, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
> > <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
> >
> > There is nothing that *requires* it ? there is also nothing that forbids
> > it.
> >
> > There was a discussion in various forums about how to handle this ? and
> > various ISP?s have opted to rather sign the petition document and have to
> > forwarded to the list by a single individual ? they wish to partake but
> do
> > not wish to put up with the noise on this list, so, they are choosing to
> > express their views in their own way.
> >
> > Since each of them is a paying member, and each of them is impacted by
> > policy, I believe they should be free to express their views in any way
> > they wish, and if that is by signing a petition document and having
> someone
> > else send it through to the list, I hardly see a reason to stop it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net]
> > Sent: 02 December 2017 11:37
> > To: Afrinic RPD <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
> > Landing Policy
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 1 Dec 2017, at 15:45, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.
> com
> > <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Please see attached.
> > >
> > > By agreement I will be sending these signed documents through as they
> > come in from the various parties.
> >
> > I don?t know what agreement you mean.
> >
> > I am not aware of anything in the policy development process or the
> appeal
> > process that requires signed documents similar to those I have seen in
> the
> > past day or so. If people have objections to a policy proposal, I would
> > suggest that they follow the existing process and make their comments in
> > the RPD mailing list.
> >
> > Alan Barrett
> >
> >
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> > Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 04:55:35 +0000
> > From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> > To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> > Cc: Afrinic RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
> > Landing Policy
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> > On the contrary Badru,
> >
> > They have chosen to send their thoughts to the RPD - they are following
> > the process - and having their voice heard on the policy list.
> >
> > What the pdp says is that thoughts should be heard on the list - or at
> the
> > microphone - nowhere does it state that communication to the list cannot
> be
> > formal - nowhere does it state it cannot be in a pdf - nowhere does it
> > state that it cannot be signed.
> >
> > The process is being followed - the communication is via the RPD list -
> > and if this violates the process please can someone point to chapter and
> > verse as to where in the process? Once I have it I will go back to the
> > larger block and explain to them that Afrinic?s process has decided to
> try
> > and implement a policy that could damage their businesses and this
> industry
> > while at the same time refusing to let them be heard on the issue - in
> the
> > forum they were meant to be heard in - because they chose to do it via a
> > signed letter rather than get abused on a list with vague statements of
> > Neo-colonialism and such.
> >
> > Be curious to see how that plays out
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > Get Outlook for iOS<https://aka.ms/o0ukef>
> > ________________________________
> > From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> > Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2017 6:56:04 AM
> > To: Andrew Alston
> > Cc: Alan Barrett; Afrinic RPD
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
> > Landing Policy
> >
> > Since these are expressions and the authors have chosen to use a channel
> > out of the RPD then other members could see it as noise.
> > Appreciate and note the expressions however continue with information and
> > discussion in the RPD.
> >
> > Let?s not innovate creative channels. There processes to introduce
> change
> > if members wish to introduce petitions.
> >
> > Regards
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> > On 3 Dec 2017, at 03:24, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
> > <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
> >
> > There is nothing that *requires* it ? there is also nothing that forbids
> > it.
> >
> > There was a discussion in various forums about how to handle this ? and
> > various ISP?s have opted to rather sign the petition document and have to
> > forwarded to the list by a single individual ? they wish to partake but
> do
> > not wish to put up with the noise on this list, so, they are choosing to
> > express their views in their own way.
> >
> > Since each of them is a paying member, and each of them is impacted by
> > policy, I believe they should be free to express their views in any way
> > they wish, and if that is by signing a petition document and having
> someone
> > else send it through to the list, I hardly see a reason to stop it.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net]
> > Sent: 02 December 2017 11:37
> > To: Afrinic RPD <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
> > Landing Policy
> >
> >
> >
> > > On 1 Dec 2017, at 15:45, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.
> com
> > <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Please see attached.
> > >
> > > By agreement I will be sending these signed documents through as they
> > come in from the various parties.
> >
> > I don?t know what agreement you mean.
> >
> > I am not aware of anything in the policy development process or the
> appeal
> > process that requires signed documents similar to those I have seen in
> the
> > past day or so. If people have objections to a policy proposal, I would
> > suggest that they follow the existing process and make their comments in
> > the RPD mailing list.
> >
> > Alan Barrett
> >
> >
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