[rpd] RPD Digest, Vol 135, Issue 16

[grace mupoyi]

Hi all,

I really appreciate To see people reaction regarding AfriNIC 27 Logos
meeting. We was not there but reading all this mail, we can feel it was
successful meeting  and it was one spirit like person. Hope we will
maintain Lagos meeting spirit for the interest of the contents not
individual.

I am also sorry being at Afrinic mailing list but I couldn't react on mails
because of the lack of courtesy from the minority of the community members.
Now, seeing all beautiful reaction I am oblige To react on mail and urge
all to maintain a positive and constructive discussion focusing on issues
not subjective argument and individual.

Regards
Grace Mupoyi N.

Le 3 déc. 2017 5:57 AM, <rpd-request at afrinic.net> a écrit :

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>    1.  How good was Afrinic-27 ? (afia faith)
>    2. Re: FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft Landing
>       Policy (Badru Ntege)
>    3. Re: FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft Landing
>       Policy (Andrew Alston)
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> Date: Sat, 02 Dec 2017 22:46:56 +0000
> From: afia faith <faithafia at gmail.com>
> To: "community-discuss at afrinic.net" <community-discuss at afrinic.net>,
>         "rpd at afrinic.net" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: [rpd]  How good was Afrinic-27 ?
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> Hello Community,
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> As a new comer and a Fellow for Afrinic-27, I can say that I do enjoy the
> presentation, the discussions and the interaction. It was a great
> experience. The event was well organized and nobody was left out. Thank you
> team Afrinic and everyone who contributed to this event. I hope the coming
> year, we will go more stronger and we will  have more delegates.
>
> Regards,
> Afi.
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> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 03:56:04 +0000
> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> Cc: Afrinic RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
>         Landing Policy
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> Since these are expressions and the authors have chosen to use a channel
> out of the RPD then other members could see it as noise.
> Appreciate and note the expressions however continue with information and
> discussion in the RPD.
>
> Let?s not innovate creative channels.  There processes to introduce change
> if members wish to introduce petitions.
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On 3 Dec 2017, at 03:24, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>
> There is nothing that *requires* it ? there is also nothing that forbids
> it.
>
> There was a discussion in various forums about how to handle this ? and
> various ISP?s have opted to rather sign the petition document and have to
> forwarded to the list by a single individual ? they wish to partake but do
> not wish to put up with the noise on this list, so, they are choosing to
> express their views in their own way.
>
> Since each of them is a paying member, and each of them is impacted by
> policy, I believe they should be free to express their views in any way
> they wish, and if that is by signing a petition document and having someone
> else send it through to the list, I hardly see a reason to stop it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
>
> From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net]
> Sent: 02 December 2017 11:37
> To: Afrinic RPD <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
> Landing Policy
>
>
>
> > On 1 Dec 2017, at 15:45, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Please see attached.
> >
> > By agreement I will be sending these signed documents through as they
> come in from the various parties.
>
> I don?t know what agreement you mean.
>
> I am not aware of anything in the policy development process or the appeal
> process that requires signed documents similar to those I have seen in the
> past day or so. If people have objections to a policy proposal, I would
> suggest that they follow the existing process and make their comments in
> the RPD mailing list.
>
> Alan Barrett
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 3 Dec 2017 04:55:35 +0000
> From: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> To: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> Cc: Afrinic RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
>         Landing Policy
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> On the contrary Badru,
>
> They have chosen to send their thoughts to the RPD - they are following
> the process - and having their voice heard on the policy list.
>
> What the pdp says is that thoughts should be heard on the list - or at the
> microphone - nowhere does it state that communication to the list cannot be
> formal - nowhere does it state it cannot be in a pdf - nowhere does it
> state that it cannot be signed.
>
> The process is being followed - the communication is via the RPD list -
> and if this violates the process please can someone point to chapter and
> verse as to where in the process?  Once I have it I will go back to the
> larger block and explain to them that Afrinic?s process has decided to try
> and implement a policy that could damage their businesses and this industry
> while at the same time refusing to let them be heard on the issue - in the
> forum they were meant to be heard in - because they chose to do it via a
> signed letter rather than get abused on a list with vague statements of
> Neo-colonialism and such.
>
> Be curious to see how that plays out
>
> Andrew
>
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> From: Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>
> Sent: Sunday, December 3, 2017 6:56:04 AM
> To: Andrew Alston
> Cc: Alan Barrett; Afrinic RPD
> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
> Landing Policy
>
> Since these are expressions and the authors have chosen to use a channel
> out of the RPD then other members could see it as noise.
> Appreciate and note the expressions however continue with information and
> discussion in the RPD.
>
> Let?s not innovate creative channels.  There processes to introduce change
> if members wish to introduce petitions.
>
> Regards
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On 3 Dec 2017, at 03:24, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
>
> There is nothing that *requires* it ? there is also nothing that forbids
> it.
>
> There was a discussion in various forums about how to handle this ? and
> various ISP?s have opted to rather sign the petition document and have to
> forwarded to the list by a single individual ? they wish to partake but do
> not wish to put up with the noise on this list, so, they are choosing to
> express their views in their own way.
>
> Since each of them is a paying member, and each of them is impacted by
> policy, I believe they should be free to express their views in any way
> they wish, and if that is by signing a petition document and having someone
> else send it through to the list, I hardly see a reason to stop it.
>
> Thanks
>
> Andrew
>
>
> From: Alan Barrett [mailto:alan.barrett at afrinic.net]
> Sent: 02 December 2017 11:37
> To: Afrinic RPD <rpd at afrinic.net<mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] FW: Opposition to the changes in the AfriNIC Soft
> Landing Policy
>
>
>
> > On 1 Dec 2017, at 15:45, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com
> <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Please see attached.
> >
> > By agreement I will be sending these signed documents through as they
> come in from the various parties.
>
> I don?t know what agreement you mean.
>
> I am not aware of anything in the policy development process or the appeal
> process that requires signed documents similar to those I have seen in the
> past day or so. If people have objections to a policy proposal, I would
> suggest that they follow the existing process and make their comments in
> the RPD mailing list.
>
> Alan Barrett
>
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