[rpd] Softlanding-Bis decision appeal

[Alan Levin]

+1 Mike

On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 11:27 AM, Mike Silber <silber.mike at gmail.com> wrote:

> Jackson
>
> Like Andrew or loath him - I regard your comments below as an ad hominem
> attack and unacceptable in the context of the policy development process.
>
> I would urge you to withdraw these remarks and engage on the substance.
>
> I note your very dismissive response to the objections as irrelevant and
> your refusal to actually engage on the substance. You may consider the
> objections so trivial as to not warrant a response - however in the absence
> of real responses, I don’t see how the proposal can be moved into final
> call.
>
> On the grounds of procedural irregularity alone, I object to this policy.
> I reserve my right to respond on the substance should the need arise.
>
> Mike
>
>
> > On 1 Dec 2017, at 11:17, Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Your objections as stated before are iffy, out-of context, off-topic
> > and irrelevant to the spirit and principle behind soft landing.
> >
> > The community will move forward and will not entertain ill intentioned
> > and malicious people hijacking a drive to protect a continent's
> > resource from pillaging.
> >
> > Go back and read the original proposal behind which the global
> > redistribution of the last 5 /8s to each individual RIR was  premised,
> > and the actual problem statement in Soft Landing BIs which aligns
> > exactly with that original policy.
> >
> > https://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/135-afpub-2009-v4-001
> >
> >
> > /////////////////////////////
> > The IANA pool of allocation units of IPv4 addresses (/8s) is
> > decreasing rapidly; and to continue applying a global coordinated
> > policy for distribution of the last piece(s) of each RIR's unallocated
> > address block does not match the reality of the situation in each RIR
> > region. Issues each RIR region will face during the exhaustion period
> > vary by region as the level of development of IPv4 and IPv6 are widely
> > different. As a result, applying a global coordinated policy may
> > adequately address issues in a certain region while it could not be
> > work for the others.
> >
> > For example, in a region where late comers desperately need even small
> > blocks of IPv4 addresses to access to the IPv4 Internet, a policy that
> > defines the target of allocations/assignments of IPv4 address space to
> > the late comers would be appropriate in such region. This would allow
> > availability of IPv4 address space for such requirements for more
> > years.
> >
> > Another example comes from difference in IPv6 deployment rate. For a
> > region where IPv6 deployment rate is low, measures may be necessary to
> > prolong IPv4 address life for the existing business as well as for new
> > businesses until networks are IPv6 ready. Some regions may have strong
> > needs to secure IPv4 address space for translators.
> >
> > A globally coordinated policy which addresses all issues listed above
> > (and/or others) to meet the needs for all RIR regions may result in
> > not solving issues in any of the regions. So a new global policy
> > proposal , a revised version of policy proposals "AFPUB-2007-v4-001"
> > and "AFPUB-2007-v4-002", is proposed to replace the current "on
> > demand" policy for allocating of the remaining IPv4 address space to
> > RIRs.
> > \\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\\
> >
> >
> > You and your so-called friends MUST stop wasting the community's time.
> >
> > Africa will move forward irrespective. Neocolonialism is so last century.
> >
> > J
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Andrew Alston
> > <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
> >> Hi All,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Considering the decision to take the soft-landing bis policy into last
> call
> >> yesterday – the following individuals wish to state that we are
> officially
> >> appealing the decision by the co-chairs in this regard:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Ben Maddison
> >>
> >> Andrew Alston
> >>
> >> Mark Elkins
> >>
> >> Christopher Mwangi
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Over the last 2 years there have been sustained and unaddressed
> objections
> >> to this policy.  There have been multiple requests by this community to
> >> withdraw this policy.  There was a statement by the authors in Mauritius
> >> that the policy would be withdrawn that was reneged.  The list archives
> >> clearly show that there was – and remains opposition to this policy.
> The
> >> rules of the PDP are clear – consensus is not based on what is said at
> the
> >> floor of the meeting alone, but is derived from the sum total of
> comments
> >> and objections both on the floor and the lists – and includes any
> objections
> >> that are sustained and unaddressed.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> While we are happy to engage with the chairs on this issue in the public
> >> forum that is this list – we also see little hope of resolution without
> >> going to the formal appeal committee should the chairs not decide to
> reverse
> >> their decision, which we believe was taken in error.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> We also welcome any other individuals who wish to add their names to
> this
> >> appeal – and note that individuals wishing to do so, by the appeal
> process,
> >> are free to join the appeal process irrespective of their comments or
> lack
> >> of comments on the policy to date – since the appeal surrounds
> procedural
> >> error – rather than the content of the specific policy itself.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Further emails will follow in due course detailing the objections
> raised on
> >> the list and the floor of previous meetings that have never been
> addressed,
> >> and we will clearly demonstrate the error that was made in the consensus
> >> declaration.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Further to this – any of the appellants reserve the right  to continue
> to
> >> contribute during the last call for the duration of the appeal and may
> >> continue to state their objections during the last call – so that in the
> >> event of this appeal failing – and consensus in last call being
> declared –
> >> the ground work is laid for a second appeal.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Yours Sincerely
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Andrew Alston
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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