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[rpd] Softlanding-Bis decision appeal
saul at enetworks.co.za
Fri Dec 1 09:51:48 UTC 2017
Jackson, I object and take exception to your comments and disdain for the
community. This is a community based process and your arrogance towards that
process doesn't buy you any favours!
From: Mike Silber [mailto:silber.mike at gmail.com]
Sent: 01 December 2017 11:27 AM
To: Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com>
Cc: Afrinic RPD <rpd at afrinic.net>
Subject: Re: [rpd] Softlanding-Bis decision appeal
Like Andrew or loath him - I regard your comments below as an ad hominem
attack and unacceptable in the context of the policy development process.
I would urge you to withdraw these remarks and engage on the substance.
I note your very dismissive response to the objections as irrelevant and
your refusal to actually engage on the substance. You may consider the
objections so trivial as to not warrant a response - however in the absence
of real responses, I don’t see how the proposal can be moved into final
On the grounds of procedural irregularity alone, I object to this policy. I
reserve my right to respond on the substance should the need arise.
> On 1 Dec 2017, at 11:17, Jackson Muthili <jacksonmuthi at gmail.com> wrote:
> Your objections as stated before are iffy, out-of context, off-topic
> and irrelevant to the spirit and principle behind soft landing.
> The community will move forward and will not entertain ill intentioned
> and malicious people hijacking a drive to protect a continent's
> resource from pillaging.
> Go back and read the original proposal behind which the global
> redistribution of the last 5 /8s to each individual RIR was premised,
> and the actual problem statement in Soft Landing BIs which aligns
> exactly with that original policy.
> The IANA pool of allocation units of IPv4 addresses (/8s) is
> decreasing rapidly; and to continue applying a global coordinated
> policy for distribution of the last piece(s) of each RIR's unallocated
> address block does not match the reality of the situation in each RIR
> region. Issues each RIR region will face during the exhaustion period
> vary by region as the level of development of IPv4 and IPv6 are widely
> different. As a result, applying a global coordinated policy may
> adequately address issues in a certain region while it could not be
> work for the others.
> For example, in a region where late comers desperately need even small
> blocks of IPv4 addresses to access to the IPv4 Internet, a policy that
> defines the target of allocations/assignments of IPv4 address space to
> the late comers would be appropriate in such region. This would allow
> availability of IPv4 address space for such requirements for more
> Another example comes from difference in IPv6 deployment rate. For a
> region where IPv6 deployment rate is low, measures may be necessary to
> prolong IPv4 address life for the existing business as well as for new
> businesses until networks are IPv6 ready. Some regions may have strong
> needs to secure IPv4 address space for translators.
> A globally coordinated policy which addresses all issues listed above
> (and/or others) to meet the needs for all RIR regions may result in
> not solving issues in any of the regions. So a new global policy
> proposal , a revised version of policy proposals "AFPUB-2007-v4-001"
> and "AFPUB-2007-v4-002", is proposed to replace the current "on
> demand" policy for allocating of the remaining IPv4 address space to
> You and your so-called friends MUST stop wasting the community's time.
> Africa will move forward irrespective. Neocolonialism is so last century.
> On Fri, Dec 1, 2017 at 9:19 AM, Andrew Alston
> <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> Considering the decision to take the soft-landing bis policy into
>> last call yesterday – the following individuals wish to state that we
>> are officially appealing the decision by the co-chairs in this regard:
>> Ben Maddison
>> Andrew Alston
>> Mark Elkins
>> Christopher Mwangi
>> Over the last 2 years there have been sustained and unaddressed
>> objections to this policy. There have been multiple requests by this
>> community to withdraw this policy. There was a statement by the
>> authors in Mauritius that the policy would be withdrawn that was
>> reneged. The list archives clearly show that there was – and remains
>> opposition to this policy. The rules of the PDP are clear –
>> consensus is not based on what is said at the floor of the meeting
>> alone, but is derived from the sum total of comments and objections
>> both on the floor and the lists – and includes any objections that are
>> sustained and unaddressed.
>> While we are happy to engage with the chairs on this issue in the
>> public forum that is this list – we also see little hope of
>> resolution without going to the formal appeal committee should the
>> chairs not decide to reverse their decision, which we believe was taken
>> in error.
>> We also welcome any other individuals who wish to add their names to
>> this appeal – and note that individuals wishing to do so, by the
>> appeal process, are free to join the appeal process irrespective of
>> their comments or lack of comments on the policy to date – since the
>> appeal surrounds procedural error – rather than the content of the
>> specific policy itself.
>> Further emails will follow in due course detailing the objections
>> raised on the list and the floor of previous meetings that have never
>> been addressed, and we will clearly demonstrate the error that was
>> made in the consensus declaration.
>> Further to this – any of the appellants reserve the right to
>> continue to contribute during the last call for the duration of the
>> appeal and may continue to state their objections during the last
>> call – so that in the event of this appeal failing – and consensus in
>> last call being declared – the ground work is laid for a second appeal.
>> Yours Sincerely
>> Andrew Alston
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