[rpd] Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (Version 1)

Fri Aug 4 10:22:41 UTC 2017

+1 Badru,
I'm eager to understand...before making any judgement as well. Please
chair, do explain the rationale behind that decision. "Consensus" is a key
word here.
Thanks.

2017-08-04 10:15 GMT+00:00 Badru Ntege <badru.ntege at nftconsult.com>:

>
> chair
>
> I hear and read from various discussants on the list the opposition of
> members from other RIR’s.   You might help the discussion if you can either
> defend the decision to suggest other RIR members for us all to understand
> before we oppose or signal that your hear the members.
>
> This will help us progressively move towards consensus on issues raised.
>
>
>
> On 8/3/17, 2:54 PM, "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Dear JRH, PDWG,
>
> Thank you for the various comments and questions on the Board's reasoning
> RE: Appeal Committee's TOR.
>
> Recall my initial email that we will not be responding to every comments
> and conversation, but will put together and consider all comments at the
> end of the comments period.
>
> The Board continues to encourage an active discussion on the matter and we
> will compile all views at the end of the comments period.
>
> Kindly make alternative proposals to whatever arrangement you consider not
> appropriate in the current draft TOR as circulated.
>
> Best regards
>
> Sunday.
>
> On 02/08/2017 20:08, Hountomey Jean Robert wrote:
>
> Owen,
> I see your point and I respect your opinion. I also thank for your the
> clarification. I personally see passionate debate. I am not here to pass
> judgment on others. I believe that letting people express their opinion
> unite us instead of dividing us. "No discussion can throw light if it
> wanders from the real point". An African proverb teaches us "You must
> attend to your business with the vendor in the market, and not to the noise
> of the market". I have asked questions to my leadership and I want to hear
> from them to make sure I understand.
> I thank you very much.
> Best Regards.
> Jean-Robert Hountomey.
>
> 2017-08-02 13:19 GMT-05:00 Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>:
>
>>
>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 07:53 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
>>
>> Dear Afrinic Board Chair,
>>
>> I almost missed this and I have quickly gone through it and I want to
>> thank you for your effort ref: this Appeal Committee Terms of Reference,
>> however, I have some questions section 2.?
>>
>>
>> Seats 1 and 2: Two of the past chairs or past co-chairs of the AFRINIC
>> policy development working group (PDWG).
>>
>> +1 and in support of the selection of seat 1 and 2 as those make sense.
>>
>>
>> For Seats 3 and 4:   I wonder if other RIR's have provisions that require
>> members from the AFRINIC region to seat in their appeal committees?
>>
>>
>> Other RIRs have very different circumstances. As is often pointed out
>> even when the circumstances in the AfriNIC region are not so different.
>> However, in this case, they are quite different. No other RIR has such a
>> degree of infighting nor such a large degree of mistrust among the factions
>> around their policy proposals. Indeed, in the other regions, the factions
>> on any given policy proposal are often quite different and you don’t find
>> nearly identical groups clumping together in support or opposition of a
>> proposal as you do in the AfriNIC region. Indeed, to the best of my
>> knowledge, no other RIR has even such a review committee in the first place.
>>
>> I don’t know the appeal process (if one exists) in RIPE, LACNIC, or
>> APNIC, but in the ARIN region, the process is governed by what we call the
>> petition process. If members of the community dislike a decision of the
>> ARIN Advisory Council, they can petition that action on the mailing list.
>> If enough other independent participants express support for the petition,
>>
>> Details are here: https://www.arin.net/policy/pdp_petitions.html
>>
>> I fail to understand the rational around selecting 2 members from 2
>> different RIR's as if the AFRINIC community lacks people within our region
>> who can fill up seats 3 and 4.
>>
>>
>> I believe the intent is to create a greater degree of independence from
>> the internal politics inherent in the AfriNIC region and to increase the
>> transparency and fairness of the process. I think this is a legitimate
>> approach in this case because, frankly, I think that members from different
>> RIRs are more likely to examine the issue purely on the record and the
>> merits of the arguments without regard for the factionalism and politics
>> involved. These are issues that simply either don’t exist or are a much
>> much smaller problem in the other RIRs.
>>
>> For Seat 5: A current or past chair or vice chair of the NRO NC/ASO AC,
>> who is not from the AFRINIC region.
>>
>> What is the rational behind this?  I mean the Afrinic board cant find,
>> out of a continent with 1.2 billion people, one person from within the
>> AFRINIC numbering or names community who can take up seat 5?.
>>
>>
>> Again, I believe that the intent here is similar to the intent with seats
>> 3 and 4. I consider this an entirely reasonable approach to maintaining the
>> independence of the appeals committee and applaud the board’s wisdom and
>> foresight in this matter.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Noah
>>
>> On 19 Jul 2017 3:54 p.m., "Sunday Folayan" <sfolayan at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear PDWG,
>>>
>>> The AFRINIC Board of Directors intends to establish an Appeal Committee
>>> to give effect to the requirements in section 3.5 of the Consolidated
>>> Policy Manual (that is, the Conflict resolution portion of the Policy
>>> Development Process).
>>>
>>> The Appeal Committee Terms of Reference (version 1) is published at
>>> https://afrinic.net/en/community/working-groups/policy-appeal
>>>
>>> The Board calls for comments on the Terms of Reference for a 30 day
>>> period, ending on 19 August 2017. Comments may be sent to the RPD mailing
>>> list <rpd at afrinic.net>.
>>>
>>> The Board intends to appoint an interim Appeal Committee without delay,
>>> to cater for the possibility that an appeal might be filed before the
>>> comments on the Terms of reference can be taken into account. We seek the
>>> cooperation of the community in this regard.
>>>
>>> Sunday Folayan
>>> Chair of the AFRINIC Board of Directors
>>>
>>>
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