[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Wed Jul 12 05:08:06 UTC 2017

On 11 July 2017 at 13:38, David Hilario <d.hilario at laruscloudservice.net>
wrote:

> Dear Omo,
>
> On 11 July 2017 at 11:27, Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:
> > Owen,
> >
> > The final legal feedback notwithstanding (which I am sure the authors
> will
> > respond to), I only see negative feedback from a handful of people.  The
> > fact that this is voiced repeatedly does not in any way increase the
> volume.
>
> Volume is irrelevant in the policy making, even a single voice from a
> totally unknown person can block anything, as long as that person has
> a valid and sustained.
>
>
Valid is the keyword here

> Almost none of the arguments put forward against the policy were new,
> they had just been slipped under the radar or were just being ignored.
>

Ignored by the entire community?  the Co-Chairs?

> > It is your misinterpretation that is more likely to be confusing to the
> > community.  Resource review is essential activity for Internet registries
> > even if they are only bookkeepers like some would have them be.
>
> All RIRs do reviews, but none of them are aimed solely at
> de-registering,

Policy says AfriNIC will only claim as last resort and would work with the
reviewed party to reach compliance.  The undue focus on deregistration is
what is worrying.

Ashok's email actually goes into quite some length
> into that topic.
>

No.  It doesn't.  Happy for you to correct me and quote which part says
this.

>
> > AFRINIC would be failing in its accountability to the community without a
> > policy like this.   Please let the Co-Chairs do their job
>
> This would imply that AFRINIC as the secretariat would have been
> failing the community up until this point!
> Which is simply not true.
>

We should want to improve Afrinic.   It is the only RIR without a review
policy.

>
> > Omo
> >
> > On 10 July 2017 at 23:18, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Sami,
> >>
> >> The final legal feedback notwithstanding, I think there has been more
> than
> >> enough negative feedback in this last call to make it quite clear that
> this
> >> policy does NOT have consensus at this time and I urge the co-chairs to
> >> remand it to the authors and the list for further refinement or
> abandonment
> >> rather than leaving it in last call status. There is no reason for last
> call
> >> to be maintained beyond the point where clearly the policy has no
> consensus
> >> as is and will need substantial revision. It only confuses the
> community.
> >>
> >> Owen
> >>
> >> > On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:55 , SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Dear Andrew and Community,
> >> >
> >> > As section (3.4.3) of the CPM stated the last call can't be less than
> >> > two week, however the document didn't specify exact period for last
> call to
> >> > be concluded.
> >> >
> >> > Please refer to the last Call section in the following link
> >> >
> >> > http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-
> consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess
> >> >
> >> > The Co-chair are evaluating feedbacks specially those related to the
> >> > legal issues in the policy and as you know we just received the final
> >> > assessment of the legal advisor today.
> >> >
> >> > Best Regards,
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
> >> > Sudan University of Science and Technology
> >> > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
> >> > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
> >> > Mob: +249122045707
> >> >
> >> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> >> From: "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
> >> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net
> >> >> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:53:22 PM
> >> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 -
> >> >> Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
> >> >>
> >> >> By the way, as a question to the RPD co-chairs.
> >> >>
> >> >> Standard process is that last call is a 2 week period.  By my count,
> >> >> last
> >> >> call has now been open longer than that on this policy - can we get
> can
> >> >> indication from the co-chairs as to when consensus or lack thereof
> will
> >> >> be
> >> >> declared for this last call period please.
> >> >>
> >> >> Thanks
> >> >>
> >> >> Andrew
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> >> From: Ashok Radhakissoon [mailto:ashok at afrinic.net]
> >> >> Sent: 10 July 2017 14:07
> >> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net
> >> >> Subject: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
> >> >> Number
> >> >> Resources Review by AFRINIC"
> >> >>
> >> >> Dear All,
> >> >> Find for your consideration my final assessment of the proposed
> policy
> >> >> under
> >> >> reference.
> >> >> Regards
> >> >> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon
> >> >> Legal Adviser
> >> >> AFRINIC
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