<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On 11 July 2017 at 13:38, David Hilario <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net" target="_blank">d.hilario@laruscloudservice.net</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Dear Omo,<br>
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On 11 July 2017 at 11:27, Omo Oaiya <<a href="mailto:Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net">Omo.Oaiya@wacren.net</a>> wrote:<br>
> Owen,<br>
><br>
> The final legal feedback notwithstanding (which I am sure the authors will<br>
> respond to), I only see negative feedback from a handful of people. The<br>
> fact that this is voiced repeatedly does not in any way increase the volume.<br>
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</span>Volume is irrelevant in the policy making, even a single voice from a<br>
totally unknown person can block anything, as long as that person has<br>
a valid and sustained.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Valid is the keyword here</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Almost none of the arguments put forward against the policy were new,<br>
they had just been slipped under the radar or were just being ignored.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Ignored by the entire community? the Co-Chairs? </div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> It is your misinterpretation that is more likely to be confusing to the<br>
> community. Resource review is essential activity for Internet registries<br>
> even if they are only bookkeepers like some would have them be.<br>
<br>
</span>All RIRs do reviews, but none of them are aimed solely at<br>
de-registering, </blockquote><div><br></div><div>Policy says AfriNIC will only claim as last resort and would work with the reviewed party to reach compliance. The undue focus on deregistration is what is worrying.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Ashok's email actually goes into quite some length<br>
into that topic.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>No. It doesn't. Happy for you to correct me and quote which part says this.</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> AFRINIC would be failing in its accountability to the community without a<br>
> policy like this. Please let the Co-Chairs do their job<br>
<br>
</span>This would imply that AFRINIC as the secretariat would have been<br>
failing the community up until this point!<br>
Which is simply not true.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>We should want to improve Afrinic. It is the only RIR without a review policy.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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> Omo<br>
><br>
> On 10 July 2017 at 23:18, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Sami,<br>
>><br>
>> The final legal feedback notwithstanding, I think there has been more than<br>
>> enough negative feedback in this last call to make it quite clear that this<br>
>> policy does NOT have consensus at this time and I urge the co-chairs to<br>
>> remand it to the authors and the list for further refinement or abandonment<br>
>> rather than leaving it in last call status. There is no reason for last call<br>
>> to be maintained beyond the point where clearly the policy has no consensus<br>
>> as is and will need substantial revision. It only confuses the community.<br>
>><br>
>> Owen<br>
>><br>
>> > On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:55 , SamiSalih <<a href="mailto:sami@ntc.gov.sd">sami@ntc.gov.sd</a>> wrote:<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Dear Andrew and Community,<br>
>> ><br>
>> > As section (3.4.3) of the CPM stated the last call can't be less than<br>
>> > two week, however the document didn't specify exact period for last call to<br>
>> > be concluded.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Please refer to the last Call section in the following link<br>
>> ><br>
>> > <a href="http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://www.afrinic.net/<wbr>library/policies/1829-afrinic-<wbr>consolidated-policy-manual#<wbr>PolicyDevelopmentProcess</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > The Co-chair are evaluating feedbacks specially those related to the<br>
>> > legal issues in the policy and as you know we just received the final<br>
>> > assessment of the legal advisor today.<br>
>> ><br>
>> > Best Regards,<br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> ><br>
>> > Dr. Sami Salih | Assistant Professor<br>
>> > Sudan University of Science and Technology<br>
>> > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407<br>
>> > email: <a href="mailto:sami.salih@sustech.edu">sami.salih@sustech.edu</a><br>
>> > Mob: <a href="tel:%2B249122045707" value="+249122045707">+249122045707</a><br>
>> ><br>
>> > ----- Original Message -----<br>
>> >> From: "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.<wbr>com</a>><br>
>> >> To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> >> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:53:22 PM<br>
>> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 -<br>
>> >> Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> By the way, as a question to the RPD co-chairs.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Standard process is that last call is a 2 week period. By my count,<br>
>> >> last<br>
>> >> call has now been open longer than that on this policy - can we get can<br>
>> >> indication from the co-chairs as to when consensus or lack thereof will<br>
>> >> be<br>
>> >> declared for this last call period please.<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Thanks<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Andrew<br>
>> >><br>
>> >><br>
>> >> -----Original Message-----<br>
>> >> From: Ashok Radhakissoon [mailto:<a href="mailto:ashok@afrinic.net">ashok@afrinic.net</a>]<br>
>> >> Sent: 10 July 2017 14:07<br>
>> >> To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> >> Subject: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet<br>
>> >> Number<br>
>> >> Resources Review by AFRINIC"<br>
>> >><br>
>> >> Dear All,<br>
>> >> Find for your consideration my final assessment of the proposed policy<br>
>> >> under<br>
>> >> reference.<br>
>> >> Regards<br>
>> >> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon<br>
>> >> Legal Adviser<br>
>> >> AFRINIC<br>
>> >> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>> >> RPD mailing list<br>
>> >> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> >> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
>> >><br>
>> ><br>
>> > ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
>> > RPD mailing list<br>
>> > <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> > <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
>><br>
>><br>
>> ______________________________<wbr>_________________<br>
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>> <a href="mailto:RPD@afrinic.net">RPD@afrinic.net</a><br>
>> <a href="https://lists.afrinic.net/mailman/listinfo/rpd" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://lists.afrinic.net/<wbr>mailman/listinfo/rpd</a><br>
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