[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Tue Jul 11 20:46:35 UTC 2017

Omo,

On 11 July 2017 at 21:12, Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:
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>
> On 11 July 2017 at 18:29, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
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>> Omo,
>>
>> Consensus isn’t determined by the number of objections, it is determined
>> by the lack of a sustained objection which has not been addressed by the
>> community.
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>
>
> Such sustained objections have to have a credible basis otherwise an abuse
> of this understanding
>

"no credibility" according to you, but those objections are also
present in the analysis of Ashok's legal advice!

Rejecting and ignoring peoples comments and remarks is not acceptable
in a bottom up policy development process.

Your comments are very worrying, trying to silence people in such a
way is almost akin of bullying people into silence.

>>
>>
>> While there may only be a few people offering negative feedback, it has
>> been substantive in nature and the issues raised have not been addressed.
>>
>
> In your opinion
>

This is exactly how almost any of of the arguments opposing this
proposal were met and treated with.
No constructive remarks, just "In your opinion", which doesn't address
any of the issues at hand.

>>
>> Additionally, there have also only been a handful of people expressing
>> support for this policy.
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>
> How do you think it got to last call then?
>

Maybe this shows that opinion in the room at the meeting, does not
necessarily reflect general reality?
It also shows the process is well designed, there is a reason why last
call on the mailing lists exists, for this very type of situations?
Last call would already had been closed by the chairs and the proposal
approved if none of the opposition were credible.

I may add that almost everyone with objections agrees on a "review
policy" idea, but not on a de-registration policy masqueraded as a
review policy.
That can also explain some of the confusion as why we are here now
still discussing the topic.

>>
>> As such, I have made no such misinterpretation as you would have us
>> believe. I have noted that there is a clear sustained objection which has
>> not been addressed and which cannot be addressed except through significant
>> rework of the policy in question. As such, by definition, there is no
>> consensus for last call.
>>
>> You ask me to let the co-chairs do their job. I find this a rather bizarre
>> request given that what I have done is ASK the co-chairs to do their job.
>
>
> Not quite true. You have tried to prescribe
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>>
>> Owen
>>
>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 01:27 , Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:
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>> Owen,
>>
>> The final legal feedback notwithstanding (which I am sure the authors will
>> respond to), I only see negative feedback from a handful of people.  The
>> fact that this is voiced repeatedly does not in any way increase the volume.
>>
>> It is your misinterpretation that is more likely to be confusing to the
>> community.  Resource review is essential activity for Internet registries
>> even if they are only bookkeepers like some would have them be.
>>
>> AFRINIC would be failing in its accountability to the community without a
>> policy like this.   Please let the Co-Chairs do their job
>>
>> Omo
>>
>> On 10 July 2017 at 23:18, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
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>>> Sami,
>>>
>>> The final legal feedback notwithstanding, I think there has been more
>>> than enough negative feedback in this last call to make it quite clear that
>>> this policy does NOT have consensus at this time and I urge the co-chairs to
>>> remand it to the authors and the list for further refinement or abandonment
>>> rather than leaving it in last call status. There is no reason for last call
>>> to be maintained beyond the point where clearly the policy has no consensus
>>> as is and will need substantial revision. It only confuses the community.
>>>
>>> Owen
>>>
>>> > On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:55 , SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dear Andrew and Community,
>>> >
>>> > As section (3.4.3) of the CPM stated the last call can't be less than
>>> > two week, however the document didn't specify exact period for last call to
>>> > be concluded.
>>> >
>>> > Please refer to the last Call section in the following link
>>> >
>>> > http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess
>>> >
>>> > The Co-chair are evaluating feedbacks specially those related to the
>>> > legal issues in the policy and as you know we just received the final
>>> > assessment of the legal advisor today.
>>> >
>>> > Best Regards,
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
>>> > Sudan University of Science and Technology
>>> > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
>>> > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
>>> > Mob: +249122045707
>>> >
>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>> >> From: "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net
>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:53:22 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 -
>>> >> Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>>> >>
>>> >> By the way, as a question to the RPD co-chairs.
>>> >>
>>> >> Standard process is that last call is a 2 week period.  By my count,
>>> >> last
>>> >> call has now been open longer than that on this policy - can we get
>>> >> can
>>> >> indication from the co-chairs as to when consensus or lack thereof
>>> >> will be
>>> >> declared for this last call period please.
>>> >>
>>> >> Thanks
>>> >>
>>> >> Andrew
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>> >> From: Ashok Radhakissoon [mailto:ashok at afrinic.net]
>>> >> Sent: 10 July 2017 14:07
>>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net
>>> >> Subject: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
>>> >> Number
>>> >> Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>>> >>
>>> >> Dear All,
>>> >> Find for your consideration my final assessment of the proposed policy
>>> >> under
>>> >> reference.
>>> >> Regards
>>> >> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon
>>> >> Legal Adviser
>>> >> AFRINIC
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