[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

[Omo Oaiya]

On 11 July 2017 at 18:29, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:

> Omo,
>
> Consensus isn’t determined by the number of objections, it is determined
> by the lack of a sustained objection which has not been addressed by the
> community.
>


Such sustained objections have to have a credible basis otherwise an abuse
of this understanding


>
> While there may only be a few people offering negative feedback, it has
> been substantive in nature and the issues raised have not been addressed.
>
>
In your opinion


> Additionally, there have also only been a handful of people expressing
> support for this policy.
>

How do you think it got to last call then?


> As such, I have made no such misinterpretation as you would have us
> believe. I have noted that there is a clear sustained objection which has
> not been addressed and which cannot be addressed except through significant
> rework of the policy in question. As such, by definition, there is no
> consensus for last call.
>
> You ask me to let the co-chairs do their job. I find this a rather bizarre
> request given that what I have done is ASK the co-chairs to do their job.
>

Not quite true. You have tried to prescribe


> Owen
>
> On Jul 11, 2017, at 01:27 , Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:
>
> Owen,
>
> The final legal feedback notwithstanding (which I am sure the authors will
> respond to), I only see negative feedback from a handful of people.  The
> fact that this is voiced repeatedly does not in any way increase the volume.
>
> It is your misinterpretation that is more likely to be confusing to the
> community.  Resource review is essential activity for Internet registries
> even if they are only bookkeepers like some would have them be.
>
> AFRINIC would be failing in its accountability to the community without a
> policy like this.   Please let the Co-Chairs do their job
>
> Omo
>
> On 10 July 2017 at 23:18, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>
>> Sami,
>>
>> The final legal feedback notwithstanding, I think there has been more
>> than enough negative feedback in this last call to make it quite clear that
>> this policy does NOT have consensus at this time and I urge the co-chairs
>> to remand it to the authors and the list for further refinement or
>> abandonment rather than leaving it in last call status. There is no reason
>> for last call to be maintained beyond the point where clearly the policy
>> has no consensus as is and will need substantial revision. It only confuses
>> the community.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> > On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:55 , SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Andrew and Community,
>> >
>> > As section (3.4.3) of the CPM stated the last call can't be less than
>> two week, however the document didn't specify exact period for last call to
>> be concluded.
>> >
>> > Please refer to the last Call section in the following link
>> > http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consoli
>> dated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess
>> >
>> > The Co-chair are evaluating feedbacks specially those related to the
>> legal issues in the policy and as you know we just received the final
>> assessment of the legal advisor today.
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
>> > Sudan University of Science and Technology
>> > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
>> > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
>> > Mob: +249122045707
>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net
>> >> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:53:22 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 -
>> Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>> >>
>> >> By the way, as a question to the RPD co-chairs.
>> >>
>> >> Standard process is that last call is a 2 week period.  By my count,
>> last
>> >> call has now been open longer than that on this policy - can we get can
>> >> indication from the co-chairs as to when consensus or lack thereof
>> will be
>> >> declared for this last call period please.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Andrew
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Ashok Radhakissoon [mailto:ashok at afrinic.net]
>> >> Sent: 10 July 2017 14:07
>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net
>> >> Subject: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet
>> Number
>> >> Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> Find for your consideration my final assessment of the proposed policy
>> under
>> >> reference.
>> >> Regards
>> >> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon
>> >> Legal Adviser
>> >> AFRINIC
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