[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Wed Jul 12 16:25:01 UTC 2017

> On Jul 11, 2017, at 11:12, Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:
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>> On 11 July 2017 at 18:29, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> Omo,
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>> Consensus isn’t determined by the number of objections, it is determined by the lack of a sustained objection which has not been addressed by the community.
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> Such sustained objections have to have a credible basis otherwise an abuse of this understanding

Are you claiming that my objections lack credibility?

What about Ashok's?

Andrew's too?

Really?

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>> While there may only be a few people offering negative feedback, it has been substantive in nature and the issues raised have not been addressed.
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> In your opinion

I am not alone in this opinion. 

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>> Additionally, there have also only been a handful of people expressing support for this policy.
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> How do you think it got to last call then?

That is an excellent question. Truth be told, it is my opinion that the co-chairs erred in sending this to last call. As a matter of deference and out of courtesy, I had previously refrained from stating this outright. However, since you choose to push the issue, there it is. 

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>> As such, I have made no such misinterpretation as you would have us believe. I have noted that there is a clear sustained objection which has not been addressed and which cannot be addressed except through significant rework of the policy in question. As such, by definition, there is no consensus for last call.
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>> You ask me to let the co-chairs do their job. I find this a rather bizarre request given that what I have done is ASK the co-chairs to do their job.
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> Not quite true. You have tried to prescribe

Prescribe what?

In the presence of sustained substantive objection to a proposal, there is no possibility of consensus until those objections are addressed. Such objections are present here. This is not opinion, it is fact clearly shown in the record.

Last call will end Friday. Let us see what the co-chairs do after that. Seems to me that the co-chairs have agreed that closing last call is part of their job. I further expect they will see the need to recognize the lack of consensus on this policy proposal as the next part of their job. If you believe otherwise, please make a case for such a position. Please explain why the opposition lacks substance or should be ignored. If you cannot make such a case (and I do not believe you can), then the facts in the record stand in support of my statement. 

Owen

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>> Owen
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>>> On Jul 11, 2017, at 01:27 , Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:
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>>> Owen,
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>>> The final legal feedback notwithstanding (which I am sure the authors will respond to), I only see negative feedback from a handful of people.  The fact that this is voiced repeatedly does not in any way increase the volume.
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>>> It is your misinterpretation that is more likely to be confusing to the community.  Resource review is essential activity for Internet registries even if they are only bookkeepers like some would have them be.    
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>>> AFRINIC would be failing in its accountability to the community without a policy like this.   Please let the Co-Chairs do their job 
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>>> Omo
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>>>> On 10 July 2017 at 23:18, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>>>> Sami,
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>>>> The final legal feedback notwithstanding, I think there has been more than enough negative feedback in this last call to make it quite clear that this policy does NOT have consensus at this time and I urge the co-chairs to remand it to the authors and the list for further refinement or abandonment rather than leaving it in last call status. There is no reason for last call to be maintained beyond the point where clearly the policy has no consensus as is and will need substantial revision. It only confuses the community.
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>>>> Owen
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>>>> > On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:55 , SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
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>>>> > Dear Andrew and Community,
>>>> >
>>>> > As section (3.4.3) of the CPM stated the last call can't be less than two week, however the document didn't specify exact period for last call to be concluded.
>>>> >
>>>> > Please refer to the last Call section in the following link
>>>> > http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess
>>>> >
>>>> > The Co-chair are evaluating feedbacks specially those related to the legal issues in the policy and as you know we just received the final assessment of the legal advisor today.
>>>> >
>>>> > Best Regards,
>>>> >
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
>>>> > Sudan University of Science and Technology
>>>> > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
>>>> > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
>>>> > Mob: +249122045707
>>>> >
>>>> > ----- Original Message -----
>>>> >> From: "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>
>>>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net
>>>> >> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:53:22 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>>>> >>
>>>> >> By the way, as a question to the RPD co-chairs.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Standard process is that last call is a 2 week period.  By my count, last
>>>> >> call has now been open longer than that on this policy - can we get can
>>>> >> indication from the co-chairs as to when consensus or lack thereof will be
>>>> >> declared for this last call period please.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Andrew
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> -----Original Message-----
>>>> >> From: Ashok Radhakissoon [mailto:ashok at afrinic.net]
>>>> >> Sent: 10 July 2017 14:07
>>>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net
>>>> >> Subject: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number
>>>> >> Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Dear All,
>>>> >> Find for your consideration my final assessment of the proposed policy under
>>>> >> reference.
>>>> >> Regards
>>>> >> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon
>>>> >> Legal Adviser
>>>> >> AFRINIC
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