[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Tue Jul 11 17:39:05 UTC 2017

I am not opposed to the concept of resource reviews… In fact, the policy in section 12 of the ARIN NRPM to which you refer below was originally proposed and authored by yours truly and subsequently modified by a group of people prior to becoming ARIN policy.

I fully support the idea, the concept, and a proper implementation.

However, the dichotomy between the above idea of a proper implementation and what is proposed in AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 is so severe that many people have raised substantive objections.

What I find most interesting about this is that despite the repeated raising of these same objections to this proposal, the proponents choose to hand waive, point to policies at other RIRs (which, btw, lack the very flaws being pointed out in this proposal) and attempt to shout down the opposition without actually making any indication that the objections have been considered, let alone any effort to actually address said objections.

Owen

> On Jul 11, 2017, at 05:04 , Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> +1 omo
> 
> I am sure these have been discussed here, but latest discussions on this list made me check the situation in other regions and I found the following:
> 
> ARIN
> ====
> INRs review
> https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve <https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve>
> 
> Fraud and abuse reports
> https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/ <https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/>
> 
> Quarterly report 
> https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/results/ <https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/results/>
> 
> 
> RIPE
> =====
> 
> Audit Activity
> https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-423 <https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-423>
> 
> Report form
> https://www.ripe.net/report-form <https://www.ripe.net/report-form>
> 
> This is an important role for RIR, so not surprising it is done elsewhere and can be done by AFRINIC with all risks managed and mitigated. This is becoming a must when we all seem to agree the future of RIR is in “Registry Accuracy”.
> 
> Best regards
> Honest Ornella GANKPA
> Le 11/07/2017 à 09:27, Omo Oaiya a écrit :
>> Owen,
>> 
>> The final legal feedback notwithstanding (which I am sure the authors will respond to), I only see negative feedback from a handful of people.  The fact that this is voiced repeatedly does not in any way increase the volume.
>> 
>> It is your misinterpretation that is more likely to be confusing to the community.  Resource review is essential activity for Internet registries even if they are only bookkeepers like some would have them be.    
>> 
>> AFRINIC would be failing in its accountability to the community without a policy like this.   Please let the Co-Chairs do their job 
>> 
>> Omo
>> 
>> On 10 July 2017 at 23:18, Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com <mailto:owen at delong.com>> wrote:
>> Sami,
>> 
>> The final legal feedback notwithstanding, I think there has been more than enough negative feedback in this last call to make it quite clear that this policy does NOT have consensus at this time and I urge the co-chairs to remand it to the authors and the list for further refinement or abandonment rather than leaving it in last call status. There is no reason for last call to be maintained beyond the point where clearly the policy has no consensus as is and will need substantial revision. It only confuses the community.
>> 
>> Owen
>> 
>> > On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:55 , SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd <mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Andrew and Community,
>> >
>> > As section (3.4.3) of the CPM stated the last call can't be less than two week, however the document didn't specify exact period for last call to be concluded.
>> >
>> > Please refer to the last Call section in the following link
>> > http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess <http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess>
>> >
>> > The Co-chair are evaluating feedbacks specially those related to the legal issues in the policy and as you know we just received the final assessment of the legal advisor today.
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
>> > Sudan University of Science and Technology
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>> > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu <mailto:sami.salih at sustech.edu>
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>> >
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> From: "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com <mailto:Andrew.Alston at liquidtelecom.com>>
>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> >> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:53:22 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>> >>
>> >> By the way, as a question to the RPD co-chairs.
>> >>
>> >> Standard process is that last call is a 2 week period.  By my count, last
>> >> call has now been open longer than that on this policy - can we get can
>> >> indication from the co-chairs as to when consensus or lack thereof will be
>> >> declared for this last call period please.
>> >>
>> >> Thanks
>> >>
>> >> Andrew
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> -----Original Message-----
>> >> From: Ashok Radhakissoon [mailto:ashok at afrinic.net <mailto:ashok at afrinic.net>]
>> >> Sent: 10 July 2017 14:07
>> >> To: rpd at afrinic.net <mailto:rpd at afrinic.net>
>> >> Subject: [rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number
>> >> Resources Review by AFRINIC"
>> >>
>> >> Dear All,
>> >> Find for your consideration my final assessment of the proposed policy under
>> >> reference.
>> >> Regards
>> >> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon
>> >> Legal Adviser
>> >> AFRINIC
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