<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I am not opposed to the concept of resource reviews… In fact, the policy in section 12 of the ARIN NRPM to which you refer below was originally proposed and authored by yours truly and subsequently modified by a group of people prior to becoming ARIN policy.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I fully support the idea, the concept, and a proper implementation.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">However, the dichotomy between the above idea of a proper implementation and what is proposed in AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 is so severe that many people have raised substantive objections.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">What I find most interesting about this is that despite the repeated raising of these same objections to this proposal, the proponents choose to hand waive, point to policies at other RIRs (which, btw, lack the very flaws being pointed out in this proposal) and attempt to shout down the opposition without actually making any indication that the objections have been considered, let alone any effort to actually address said objections.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Owen</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 11, 2017, at 05:04 , Ornella GANKPA <<a href="mailto:honest1989@gmail.com" class="">honest1989@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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I am sure these have been discussed here, but latest discussions
on this list made me check the situation in other regions and I
found the following:<br class="">
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ARIN<br class="">
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INRs review<br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve">https://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#twelve</a><br class="">
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Fraud and abuse reports<br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/">https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/</a><br class="">
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Quarterly report <br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/results/">https://www.arin.net/resources/fraud/results/</a><br class="">
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RIPE<br class="">
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Audit Activity<br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-423">https://www.ripe.net/publications/docs/ripe-423</a><br class="">
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Report form<br class="">
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://www.ripe.net/report-form">https://www.ripe.net/report-form</a><br class="">
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This is an important role for RIR, so not surprising it is done
elsewhere and can be done by AFRINIC with all risks managed and
mitigated. This is becoming a must when we all seem to agree the
future of RIR is in “Registry Accuracy”.</p><p class="">Best regards<br class="">
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<pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">Honest Ornella GANKPA</pre>
<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 11/07/2017 à 09:27, Omo Oaiya a
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<div class="">The final legal feedback notwithstanding (which I am sure
the authors will respond to), I only see negative feedback
from a handful of people. The fact that this is voiced
repeatedly does not in any way increase the volume.</div>
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<div class="">It is your misinterpretation that is more likely to be
confusing to the community. Resource review is essential
activity for Internet registries even if they are only
bookkeepers like some would have them be. </div>
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<div class="">AFRINIC would be failing in its accountability to the
community without a policy like this. Please let the
Co-Chairs do their job </div>
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The final legal feedback notwithstanding, I think
there has been more than enough negative feedback in
this last call to make it quite clear that this policy
does NOT have consensus at this time and I urge the
co-chairs to remand it to the authors and the list for
further refinement or abandonment rather than leaving
it in last call status. There is no reason for last
call to be maintained beyond the point where clearly
the policy has no consensus as is and will need
substantial revision. It only confuses the community.<br class="">
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> On Jul 10, 2017, at 12:55 , SamiSalih <<a href="mailto:sami@ntc.gov.sd" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">sami@ntc.gov.sd</a>>
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> Dear Andrew and Community,<br class="">
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> As section (3.4.3) of the CPM stated the last
call can't be less than two week, however the
document didn't specify exact period for last call
to be concluded.<br class="">
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> Please refer to the last Call section in the
following link<br class="">
> <a href="http://www.afrinic.net/library/policies/1829-afrinic-consolidated-policy-manual#PolicyDevelopmentProcess" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">http://www.afrinic.net/library<wbr class="">/policies/1829-afrinic-consoli<wbr class="">dated-policy-manual#PolicyDeve<wbr class="">lopmentProcess</a><br class="">
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> The Co-chair are evaluating feedbacks
specially those related to the legal issues in the
policy and as you know we just received the final
assessment of the legal advisor today.<br class="">
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> Best Regards,<br class="">
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> Dr. Sami Salih | Assistant Professor<br class="">
> Sudan University of Science and Technology<br class="">
> Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407<br class="">
> email: <a href="mailto:sami.salih@sustech.edu" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">sami.salih@sustech.edu</a><br class="">
> Mob: <a href="tel:%2B249122045707" value="+249122045707" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">+249122045707</a><br class="">
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> ----- Original Message -----<br class="">
>> From: "Andrew Alston" <<a href="mailto:Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.com" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">Andrew.Alston@liquidtelecom.c<wbr class="">om</a>><br class="">
>> To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br class="">
>> Sent: Monday, July 10, 2017 9:53:22 PM<br class="">
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Last Call for
"AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number
Resources Review by AFRINIC"<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> By the way, as a question to the RPD
co-chairs.<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Standard process is that last call is a 2
week period. By my count, last<br class="">
>> call has now been open longer than that
on this policy - can we get can<br class="">
>> indication from the co-chairs as to when
consensus or lack thereof will be<br class="">
>> declared for this last call period
please.<br class="">
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>> Thanks<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Andrew<br class="">
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>><br class="">
>> -----Original Message-----<br class="">
>> From: Ashok Radhakissoon [mailto:<a href="mailto:ashok@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">ashok@afrinic.net</a>]<br class="">
>> Sent: 10 July 2017 14:07<br class="">
>> To: <a href="mailto:rpd@afrinic.net" target="_blank" moz-do-not-send="true" class="">rpd@afrinic.net</a><br class="">
>> Subject: [rpd] Last Call for
"AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number<br class="">
>> Resources Review by AFRINIC"<br class="">
>><br class="">
>> Dear All,<br class="">
>> Find for your consideration my final
assessment of the proposed policy under<br class="">
>> reference.<br class="">
>> Regards<br class="">
>> Ashok.B.Radhakissoon<br class="">
>> Legal Adviser<br class="">
>> AFRINIC<br class="">
>> ______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class="">
>> RPD mailing list<br class="">
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> ______________________________<wbr class="">_________________<br class="">
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