[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Tue Jun 27 13:38:02 UTC 2017

Hi

On 27 June 2017 at 21:28, Boubakar Barry <boubakarbarry at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> And I wouldn't have any problem AfriNIC being sued by people who are
>>> abusing the current process(es) and doing wrong things at the cost of the
>>> community. They will definitely lose.
>>>
>>
>> Why they will lose? AFRINIC staff does not have legal training nor does
>> the community, how you sure the rule made by the community will be
>> successful in the word of law?
>>
>
> Translation: AfriNIC is so waek that any brigand can come, rob our
> resources and then sue us?
>
> This statement is _very_ serious and AfriNIC Board and Secretariat have to
> act here.
>

That "translation" does not reflect what I mean.

I standby my statement, so no worries.

I didn't say AFRINIC is weak, in fact, weak or strong does not come in play
here, I simply saying testing AFRINIC staff and community policy with real
court and law, have never been tested before, I am not sure it will success
that. Law does not write for the strong or weak, but for the reasons.

No one can rob "our" resource, I am firm believe internet has no boundary
of countries, or nationals, or continent, we have one internet, and that
belong to every human being.

Sadly my country have great internet firewall that stops that, I truly hope
the same shouldn't be happening here in AFRICA, I hope every AFRICAN have
free unrestricted access to internet and enjoy that one internet everyone
should deserve.

Internet have changed many things here in AFRICA, including political
landscape and giving people much more free speech rights, *I believe the
future IPv6 direct deployment in AFRICAN continent will make AFRICA the
most advanced continent on the planet, without needing dealing with this
legacy IPv4 addresses.*

While other continent have the problem of the legacy investment, in AFRICA,
many thing haven't started yet, so* it is one of only place on earth we are
able to start flash in IPv6, seriously, bankrupting AFRICAN registry for
the not so important legacy space, is really not worth it.*

>
>>
>>
>> What kind of behaviour is this? And look from where! If people are
>>> already threatening of suing AfriNIC because of this policy proposal, that
>>> means that they have things to hide.
>>>
>>
>> Every one has something to hide, every business, every organization have
>>  sensitive information even forbidden to be shared by law, AFRINIC exist on
>> the condition of confidentiality, otherwise no one will ever provide any
>> information to AFRINIC.
>>
>> It's not child play ground, it is real business with people doing it for
>> real value, no one is threatening suing AFRINIC, but if AFRINIC start
>> acting like internet police force, then people do something about it.
>>
>
> No comment; see above. Things get clearer and clearer.
>
> Boubakar
>
>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>> -
>>>>
>>>> >  Like I said,  we wait for legal and I’d be inclined
>>>> > to ask for a second opinion if what is clearly a straightforward
>>>> matter is
>>>> > couched in a manner to frighten the community.
>>>> >
>>>> > I am also uncomfortable with you speaking for Kris.  As far as I
>>>> know, he
>>>> > could not have been "responsible for the budget calculation".  He was
>>>> a
>>>> > board member not in the executive.  Perhaps he can speak up for
>>>> himself and
>>>> > tell us how he does the budget for AfriNIC.
>>>> >
>>>> > You say AfriNIC is a book keeper.   At least we agree that their
>>>> > responsibility is to keep the books and audit is a necessary part of
>>>> this.
>>>> > Is Lu Heng a lawyer?  I tire for the implied threats.
>>>> >
>>>> > My 0.02.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > I
>>>> >
>>>> > On 27 Jun 2017, at 13:01, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Hi Omo:
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > On 27 June 2017 at 19:35, Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 27 June 2017 at 11:56, Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> I still stand opposed to the policy. People just call it an Andrew
>>>> or
>>>> >>> liquid audit policy or a cloud innovations policy audit. Let’s not
>>>> hide and
>>>> >>> get off with it.
>>>> >>>
>>>> >>> Kris
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Are these people suggesting these organisations have something to
>>>> hide?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I don't see how this policy can be an issue for any member who has
>>>> not
>>>> >> violated the rules or abused contractual agreements with AfrINIC
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > 1. Because audit cost money and man power, audit an large
>>>> organization like
>>>> > national telecom require multiple times of AFRINIC budget, it is
>>>> beyond what
>>>> > AFRINIC can afford, Kris is the one responsible for the budget
>>>> calculation
>>>> > and he as already clearly states that.
>>>> >
>>>> > 2. Not fairly audit all members is direct violation of ICP-2,
>>>> selective and
>>>> > subjective will results abuse of monopoly power lawsuit at first
>>>> guidance.
>>>> >
>>>> > 3. Audit require sensitive business information in which no business
>>>> would
>>>> > like to share,  moreover it is illegal to share in most cases, for
>>>> example
>>>> > what if afrinic require member provide all customer data to justify
>>>> > utilization? It is in direct violation of privacy law in many
>>>> countries.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Let's be a bit more accountable here.   Responsible stewardship
>>>> requires
>>>> >> being able to audit and I understand that revocation is a last
>>>> resort.  I
>>>> >> support the policy on this basis.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > The ultimate question is, CAN AFRINIC afford revocation? yes, if you
>>>> revoke
>>>> > a /22, the member may be too small to finding problem with you, but
>>>> if you
>>>> > revoke a /12? Any company with a /12 have power to sue AFRINIC to
>>>> broke. not
>>>> > mentioning the business damage and lost of the connections for the
>>>> end user
>>>> > and business users, the address range alone worth 10-15 million
>>>> dollars in
>>>> > which effectively is 2 years of income for AFRINIC.
>>>> >
>>>> > Let's get into real world which has laws and high court in which
>>>> ultimate
>>>> > have the real reenforce power with police and military to back what
>>>> they are
>>>> > doing, AFRINIC has none, while you still ask AFRINIC to direct
>>>> confront all
>>>> > it's members at 100 times its size, I just don't see that as
>>>> realistic.
>>>> >
>>>> > AFRINIC is a book keeper, if you ask it to be police, then give it's
>>>> the
>>>> > REAL power needed to be one, for example, pass a resolution at AFRICAN
>>>> > union.
>>>> >
>>>> >>
>>>> >> More importantly, the policy is in last call and the authors have
>>>> >> responded to legal's message through the Co-chairs.  I look forward
>>>> to the
>>>> >> Co-chairs feedback on that matter.
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Any policy at last call receive substantial opposition go back to
>>>> discussion
>>>> > phase for future discussion, in the last call does not means people
>>>> can not
>>>> > push the policy back if they disagree it with rightful argument.
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Best wishes
>>>> >>
>>>> >> --
>>>> >> Omo Oaiya
>>>> >> CTO/Directeur Technique, WACREN
>>>> >> Mobile: +234 808 888 1571 <+234%20808%20888%201571> , +221 784 305
>>>> 224
>>>> >> Skype: kodion
>>>> >> http://www.wacren.net
>>>> >>
>>>> >>
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>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > --
>>>> > --
>>>> > Kind regards.
>>>> > Lu
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > —
>>>> > Omo Oaiya
>>>> > CTO/Directeur Technique, WACREN
>>>> > Mobile: +234 806 4522778 <+234%20806%20452%202778>, +221 784 305 224
>>>> > Skype: kodion
>>>> > http://www.wacren.net
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>> --
>> --
>> Kind regards.
>> Lu
>>
>>
>

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Lu
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