[rpd] Last Call for "AFPUB-2016-GEN-001-DRAFT-04 - Internet Number Resources Review by AFRINIC"

Tue Jun 27 13:28:29 UTC 2017

On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 1:21 PM, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:

>
> And I wouldn't have any problem AfriNIC being sued by people who are
>> abusing the current process(es) and doing wrong things at the cost of the
>> community. They will definitely lose.
>>
>
> Why they will lose? AFRINIC staff does not have legal training nor does
> the community, how you sure the rule made by the community will be
> successful in the word of law?
>

Translation: AfriNIC is so waek that any brigand can come, rob our
resources and then sue us?

This statement is _very_ serious and AfriNIC Board and Secretariat have to
act here.

>
>
> What kind of behaviour is this? And look from where! If people are already
>> threatening of suing AfriNIC because of this policy proposal, that means
>> that they have things to hide.
>>
>
> Every one has something to hide, every business, every organization have
>  sensitive information even forbidden to be shared by law, AFRINIC exist on
> the condition of confidentiality, otherwise no one will ever provide any
> information to AFRINIC.
>
> It's not child play ground, it is real business with people doing it for
> real value, no one is threatening suing AFRINIC, but if AFRINIC start
> acting like internet police force, then people do something about it.
>

No comment; see above. Things get clearer and clearer.

Boubakar

>
>
>>
>>> -
>>>
>>> >  Like I said,  we wait for legal and I’d be inclined
>>> > to ask for a second opinion if what is clearly a straightforward
>>> matter is
>>> > couched in a manner to frighten the community.
>>> >
>>> > I am also uncomfortable with you speaking for Kris.  As far as I know,
>>> he
>>> > could not have been "responsible for the budget calculation".  He was a
>>> > board member not in the executive.  Perhaps he can speak up for
>>> himself and
>>> > tell us how he does the budget for AfriNIC.
>>> >
>>> > You say AfriNIC is a book keeper.   At least we agree that their
>>> > responsibility is to keep the books and audit is a necessary part of
>>> this.
>>> > Is Lu Heng a lawyer?  I tire for the implied threats.
>>> >
>>> > My 0.02.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > I
>>> >
>>> > On 27 Jun 2017, at 13:01, Lu Heng <h.lu at anytimechinese.com> wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Hi Omo:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On 27 June 2017 at 19:35, Omo Oaiya <Omo.Oaiya at wacren.net> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> On 27 June 2017 at 11:56, Kris Seeburn <seeburn.k at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >>>
>>> >>> I still stand opposed to the policy. People just call it an Andrew or
>>> >>> liquid audit policy or a cloud innovations policy audit. Let’s not
>>> hide and
>>> >>> get off with it.
>>> >>>
>>> >>> Kris
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Are these people suggesting these organisations have something to
>>> hide?
>>> >>
>>> >> I don't see how this policy can be an issue for any member who has not
>>> >> violated the rules or abused contractual agreements with AfrINIC
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > 1. Because audit cost money and man power, audit an large organization
>>> like
>>> > national telecom require multiple times of AFRINIC budget, it is
>>> beyond what
>>> > AFRINIC can afford, Kris is the one responsible for the budget
>>> calculation
>>> > and he as already clearly states that.
>>> >
>>> > 2. Not fairly audit all members is direct violation of ICP-2,
>>> selective and
>>> > subjective will results abuse of monopoly power lawsuit at first
>>> guidance.
>>> >
>>> > 3. Audit require sensitive business information in which no business
>>> would
>>> > like to share,  moreover it is illegal to share in most cases, for
>>> example
>>> > what if afrinic require member provide all customer data to justify
>>> > utilization? It is in direct violation of privacy law in many
>>> countries.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> Let's be a bit more accountable here.   Responsible stewardship
>>> requires
>>> >> being able to audit and I understand that revocation is a last
>>> resort.  I
>>> >> support the policy on this basis.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > The ultimate question is, CAN AFRINIC afford revocation? yes, if you
>>> revoke
>>> > a /22, the member may be too small to finding problem with you, but if
>>> you
>>> > revoke a /12? Any company with a /12 have power to sue AFRINIC to
>>> broke. not
>>> > mentioning the business damage and lost of the connections for the end
>>> user
>>> > and business users, the address range alone worth 10-15 million
>>> dollars in
>>> > which effectively is 2 years of income for AFRINIC.
>>> >
>>> > Let's get into real world which has laws and high court in which
>>> ultimate
>>> > have the real reenforce power with police and military to back what
>>> they are
>>> > doing, AFRINIC has none, while you still ask AFRINIC to direct
>>> confront all
>>> > it's members at 100 times its size, I just don't see that as realistic.
>>> >
>>> > AFRINIC is a book keeper, if you ask it to be police, then give it's
>>> the
>>> > REAL power needed to be one, for example, pass a resolution at AFRICAN
>>> > union.
>>> >
>>> >>
>>> >> More importantly, the policy is in last call and the authors have
>>> >> responded to legal's message through the Co-chairs.  I look forward
>>> to the
>>> >> Co-chairs feedback on that matter.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Any policy at last call receive substantial opposition go back to
>>> discussion
>>> > phase for future discussion, in the last call does not means people
>>> can not
>>> > push the policy back if they disagree it with rightful argument.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Best wishes
>>> >>
>>> >> --
>>> >> Omo Oaiya
>>> >> CTO/Directeur Technique, WACREN
>>> >> Mobile: +234 808 888 1571 <+234%20808%20888%201571> , +221 784 305
>>> 224
>>> >> Skype: kodion
>>> >> http://www.wacren.net
>>> >>
>>> >>
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > --
>>> > --
>>> > Kind regards.
>>> > Lu
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > —
>>> > Omo Oaiya
>>> > CTO/Directeur Technique, WACREN
>>> > Mobile: +234 806 4522778 <+234%20806%20452%202778>, +221 784 305 224
>>> > Skype: kodion
>>> > http://www.wacren.net
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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>
> --
> --
> Kind regards.
> Lu
>
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