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[rpd] [Community-Discuss] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

Badru Ntege badru.ntege at
Wed May 10 09:53:38 UTC 2017

Let's focus on the mission of Afrinic.  Political governance of sovereign states as much as it might impact us falls in our circle of concern and not our circle of influence.

Unless our mission has changed yes this is a good conversation point but not our work.

I would like to see passion and dialogue arround how we can extend the networks to the unconnected how we can make IPV6 a default topic on all school network curriculums in Afrinic region schools.

Let's follow and pursue an Agenda that adds to our mission. There is no likely policy we can develop that will have impact on any regional head of state.

Appreciate the fear they have of the internet and empower them with knowledge to enable them to fix the local challenges without taking extreme measures.

Time to stop this diversionary abuse of the PDP process in pursuit of private Agendas.


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On 10 May 2017, at 11:35, Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at<mailto:Andrew.Alston at>> wrote:


A line at the microphone is one thing – discussions that have been going on till 3am every morning since then with everyone else on the floor who wasn’t at the microphone – are another entirely ☺


From: Noah <noah at<mailto:noah at>>
Date: Wednesday, 10 May 2017 at 11:01
To: Andrew Alston <Andrew.Alston at<mailto:Andrew.Alston at>>
Cc: General Discussions of AFRINIC <community-discuss at<mailto:community-discuss at>>, rpd List <rpd at<mailto:rpd at>>, "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at<mailto:madomey at>>
Subject: Re: [Community-Discuss] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

Mmmm on the contrary seems like most folk on the floor disagreed with the contraversial policy and its approach no matter how much the Arthors seek for better ways to improve it.

Some suggested multistake holder engagement and in particular Leslie Daigle comments on the floor are worth taking into serious considerations by the way.

The best comment in my opinion was from the Alan Durand who reminded everyone what the real core mission of the RIR community is,  and that is....

"To allocate resources and maintain the accuracy of the database".PERIOD. [1]


[1]I have had in the past folk state statements like "How some ome runs his network is none of anyones business and in that matter policing the network is none of AFRINICs business"

On 10 May 2017 10:39 a.m., "Andrew Alston" <Andrew.Alston at<mailto:Andrew.Alston at>> wrote:
Thanks Marcus,

Just some feedback for the community.

It's been a great experience here at RIPE and some of the ideas given and the extensive discussions following the presentation referred to by Marcus have been both useful and informative.

Draft 2 will be submitted shortly very much in line with what I presented in that presentation - and before the 7 day deadline as per the PDP so we can discuss on that basis.

Following the meeting in Nairobi, I suspect we will then be gathering still further input and further drafts will follow, if there is no consensus found on the floor for the draft 2 that will be submitted.

I think for myself, the most important thing I have seen at RIPE so far, is the huge willingness by people from every walk of life to engage in dialog and discussion over this, and it was heartening to see both my own positions and the positions of those I was discussing with shift as explanations were given and questions were asked and answered.  Since giving that presentation I have barely had a minute to think as people approached me to talk this through - and I really hope to see such engagement in Nairobi, because it truly showed the benefit of a multi stakeholder approach where open dialog and communication can happen, even in the absence of agreement and in the face of controversial material where people hold strong and emotive views.

I look forward to the discussions on the floor of the PDP and engaging with all of you to hear your thoughts and views and finding the right solution to the issue.



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From: Marcus K. G. Adomey <madomey at<mailto:madomey at>>
Sent: Tuesday, May 9, 2017 11:48:42 PM
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Subject: [Community-Discuss] Controversial anti-shutdown policy discussed at RIPE

Dear Colleagues.

You might want to see the presentation of the controversial draft anti-shutdown policy (AFPUB-2017-GEN-001-DRAFT-01) at a recent RIPE meeting.  I found the questions/comments from the RIPE community similar to that shared by many on the RPD, mostly about the inappropriateness of such policy in our region… or any other for that matter.  Enjoy watching it.

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