[rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue

[Willy MANGA]

Hello Alain,
my intention was not to insult IPv4 fans .

I put on the other hand all the amazing work AFRINIC training team is
doing and I am sometimes disapointed when I see no v6 traffic after one
year from many sites especially universities. They should not be
concerned by v4 stuff in my humble opinion ..


Le 06/04/2017 à 16:44, ALAIN AINA a écrit :
> Hello Willy,
> 
> IPv4 is not functionally obsolete as it is still performing. IPv6 is
> supposed to technologically obsolete IPv4.
> 
> Usually in case of technologically obsolescence, although having the
> latest and best is appealing, it is sometimes, or even often, better
> to push old technology to its limits than to feel obligated to invest
> in the new. We seem to be facing that.
> 
> So it is coming, but in the meantime, lets stop insulting IPv4 and
> its fans :-)
> 
> —Alain
> 
> 
>> On Apr 6, 2017, at 5:54 AM, Willy MANGA <willy.manga at auf.org>
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Alain,
>> 
>> Le 05/04/2017 à 20:30, ALAIN AINA a écrit :
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 5, 2017, at 7:47 PM, Willy MANGA <willy.manga at auf.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Le 03/04/2017 à 13:50, Noah a écrit :
>>>>> Elkin, [...] Meanwhile lets promote more IPv6 adoption for
>>>>> those already with address space.
>>>> 
>>>> Agree at 100% . Could I add : «adoption AND usage» .
>>>> 
>>>> I naively don't understand why many people are so relunctant to
>>>> use v6 on their network :) and I find this battle around v4 a
>>>> waste of time and energy.
>>> 
>>> I also had this impression, that by now everybody should have
>>> been v6 and amending v4 softlanding policy would have been an
>>> easy game.
>>> 
>>> Looks like they refuse to listen to what Gary Feldman told them
>>> in 2007. See whois -h whois.ripe.net POEM-RIPE55-SONG
>>> 
>>> In reality, v4 is still hardly needed and has become an asset for
>>> some.
>> 
>> Why ? IMHO the only reason I see this interest to v4 is *business*
>> and ignorance (but on the latter more and more trainings are
>> organised over the years) .
>> 
>> At least if it was business opportunities for all the layers in
>> AFRICA , I'd have understood a little bit. But that's not the case.
>> v4 profits to a little niche and it will continue to profit to some
>> entities only.
>> 
>> Speaking specifically to universities and corporate customers : WHY
>> do people consider that they cannot work with IPv6 ? Why people do
>> not want to end the life quickly of v4 ? Why do you want to stay in
>> your «pseudo» comfort zone ? ;) Even for governments, it will be
>> very useful to use v6 because identication will be easier to
>> achieve ... You should carefully think about it ...
>> 
>> A lot of people have already been trained on v6 ... So what next ?
>> What is your transition plan ? Have you already start it ? I do not
>> trust statements where it's said that people need (a lot of ) v4 in
>> order to plan v6 deployment. The truth is : start v6 is easier than
>> what it would have been 10 years ago. The first step is
>> committment.
>> 
>> Of course, v6 path is not perfect, they are issues but at least it
>> works in various cases. More and more issues can be adressed if
>> more people jump in the wagon.
>> 
>> 
>> I support all initiatives who favor rapid depletion of v4 address
>> and at the same time enforce v6 adoption and usage within africa .
>> 
>> I will be rude but I think existent member should not continue to
>> ask v4 prefixes. That should not be the way forward. They should be
>> reserved for new members only; at the condition that their network
>> will use v6 very soon.
>> 
>> On another field the community should think about this : What if
>> we deploy v6 links and use it to communicate between us in Africa
>> ? Are you afraid of losing links with people in other continents ?
>> I may be wrong but all the major players use v6. I am in favor of
>> even throw away most (if not all) our last /8 and help all african
>> countries develop their v6 networks. (I know it's rude)
>> 
>> While we are stuck on a «battle» between two draft policies who
>> will lead us nowhere at that level, I suggest to the community to
>> discuss about this : v4 is like a gold mine as long as we will
>> continue to keep it in a safe. Its scarcity will profit to a little
>> fraction of people be it in Africa or outside. With v6 the wealth
>> will not be on the distribution of address but on the services who
>> will raise because of its large possibilities.
>> 
>> 
>> -- Willy Ted MANGA Responsable Technique Régional | DACGL 
>> https://www.auf.org/bacgl
>> 
> 
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Willy Ted MANGA
Responsable Technique Régional | DACGL
https://www.auf.org/bacgl

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