[rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue

[ALAIN AINA]

Hello Willy,

IPv4 is not functionally obsolete as it is still performing. IPv6 is supposed to technologically obsolete IPv4. 

Usually in case of technologically obsolescence, although having the latest and best is appealing, it is sometimes, or even often, better to push old technology to its limits than to feel obligated to invest in the new. We seem to be facing that.

So it is coming, but in the meantime, lets stop insulting IPv4 and its fans :-)

—Alain


> On Apr 6, 2017, at 5:54 AM, Willy MANGA <willy.manga at auf.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello Alain,
> 
> Le 05/04/2017 à 20:30, ALAIN AINA a écrit :
>> 
>>> On Apr 5, 2017, at 7:47 PM, Willy MANGA <willy.manga at auf.org> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 03/04/2017 à 13:50, Noah a écrit :
>>>> Elkin,
>>>> [...] 
>>>> Meanwhile lets promote more IPv6 adoption for those already with address
>>>> space.
>>> 
>>> Agree at 100% . Could I add : «adoption AND usage» .
>>> 
>>> I naively don't understand why many people are so relunctant to use v6
>>> on their network :)
>>> and I find this battle around v4 a waste of time and energy.
>> 
>> I also had this impression, that by now everybody should have been v6 and amending v4 softlanding policy would have been an easy game. 
>> 
>> Looks like they refuse to listen to what Gary Feldman told them in 2007. See whois -h whois.ripe.net POEM-RIPE55-SONG
>> 
>> In reality, v4 is still hardly needed and has become an asset for some. 
> 
> Why ?
> IMHO the only reason I see this interest to v4 is *business* and
> ignorance (but on the latter more and more trainings are organised over
> the years) .
> 
> At least if it was business opportunities for all the layers in AFRICA ,
> I'd have understood a little bit. But that's not the case. v4 profits to
> a little niche and it will continue to profit to some entities only.
> 
> Speaking specifically to universities and corporate customers : WHY do
> people consider that they cannot work with IPv6 ? Why people do not want
> to end the life quickly of v4 ? Why do you want to stay in your «pseudo»
> comfort zone ? ;)
> Even for governments, it will be very useful to use v6 because
> identication will be easier to achieve ... You should carefully think
> about it ...
> 
> A lot of people have already been trained on v6 ... So what next ? What
> is your transition plan ? Have you already start it ?
> I do not trust statements where it's said that people need (a lot of )
> v4 in order to plan v6 deployment. The truth is : start v6 is easier
> than what it would have been 10 years ago. The first step is committment.
> 
> Of course, v6 path is not perfect, they are issues but at least it works
> in various cases. More and more issues can be adressed if more people
> jump in the wagon.
> 
> 
> I support all initiatives who favor rapid depletion of v4 address and at
> the same time enforce v6 adoption and usage within africa .
> 
> I will be rude but I think existent member should not continue to ask v4
> prefixes. That should not be the way forward. They should be reserved
> for new members only; at the condition that their network will use v6
> very soon.
> 
> On another field the community should think about this : What if we
> deploy v6 links and use it to communicate between us in Africa ?
> Are you afraid of losing links with people in other continents ? I may
> be wrong but all the major players use v6.
> I am in favor of even throw away most (if not all) our last /8 and help
> all african countries develop their v6 networks. (I know it's rude)
> 
> While we are stuck on a «battle» between two draft policies who will
> lead us nowhere at that level, I suggest to the community to discuss
> about this : v4 is like a gold mine as long as we will continue to keep
> it in a safe. Its scarcity will profit to a little fraction of people be
> it in Africa or outside. With v6 the wealth will not be on the
> distribution of address but on the services who will raise because of
> its large possibilities.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Willy Ted MANGA
> Responsable Technique Régional | DACGL
> https://www.auf.org/bacgl
>