[rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue

Thu Mar 30 12:04:16 UTC 2017

Hi All,
Speaking in my personal capacity as a Community member, I believe there is
a 'common sense' that can apply to every situation within or outside the
law. I don't see anything wrong in what the Co-Chairs have done as
previously explained by Sami and Dewole, rather they have attempted to
simplify the process by providing the grey areas that the authors of the 2
previous conflicting proposals could not address or agree to address. In
other words, the co-chairs have attempted to optimize both proposals (after
deliberations and comments from the community) and provide focal point for
the way forward.

This is common sense and highly commendable of them to have thought in this
direction for the progress of the Community and also for the fact that the
soft-landing clause could be triggered anytime from now.

Whether "*building or helping to find consensus*", let the community focus
on the issue at hand and strive to achieve the desired goal within the
allowable time. This is the time for less talking but to take necessary
action especially if we retrospect on how we got here in the first place.

Kind Regards,
Timothy

"Be happy with what you have and are, be generous with both, and you won't
have to hunt for happiness." ~ William E. Gladstone

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 10:58 AM, McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:36 AM, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
> >
> > Thanks for remind us about this very important point
> >
> > and yes, we as co-chairs are not building anythings regarding consensus,
> this should be stated very clear.
>
> I would say that you can "help to find consensus" rather than "build",
> that is the terminology I always used internally.
>
> Thanks for doing such an exemplary job in this difficult role in trying
> times.
>
> Regards,
>
> McTim
>
>
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:28:26 AM
> >> Subject: RE: Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> >>
> >> Sami,
> >>
> >> I agree that you are meant to foster discussion so that we can
> objectively
> >> discuss.
> >>
> >> It is *NOT* however the job of the co-chairs to *BUILD* consensus -
> Consensus
> >> is there, or it isn't there, and if it isn't there, it is up to the
> authors
> >> of the policy to adjust and work with the community till it is there, or
> >> have their policy fail ratification.  It 100% is not the job of the
> >> co-chairs to do more than gauge the consensus.  BUILDING the consensus
> is in
> >> effect saying that every policy proposal should have a middle ground
> that
> >> everyone can agree on - that is simply not accurate - there are plenty
> of
> >> policies I have seen come and fail that failed because there is no
> middle
> >> ground - and there is no problem with that - it simply means the
> community
> >> didn't believe in what they saw and the authors couldn't adjust enough
> to
> >> get the community to believe in it.
> >>
> >> But it certainly is not the job of the co-chairs in any way shape or
> form to
> >> build consensus, it is the job of the co-chairs to gauge consensus.
> That is
> >> it
> >>
> >> Andrew
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: SamiSalih [mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd]
> >> Sent: 30 March 2017 06:16
> >> To: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> >> Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net>
> >> Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> >>
> >> Thanks McTim for the reminder
> >> However, as co-chairs our mandate is to condider every single propsal
> comming
> >> from the community and work to foster a condtructive discussion, this
> >> necessitates all members to objectivly discuss the ideas and only good
> ideas
> >> can be further developed to a policy.
> >> I think ourandate is also to find a middle group to BUILD the consensus
> so we
> >> have to be positive and innovative rather than just rapporteurs- you
> know
> >> better than me in this regards
> >>
> >> Sicerely
> >>
> >> Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
> >> Sudan University of Science and Technology Eastern Dum, P.O Box
> 11111-407
> >> email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
> >> Mob: +249122045707
> >>
> >> ----- McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > Sami, all,
> >> >
> >> > I just want to remind everyone that "no consensus, status quo remains"
> >> > is a perfectly valid outcome of the PDP.
> >> >
> >> > Not every policy proposal needs to pass in some form or other.  That a
> >> > proposal fails to gain consensus is not an indictment of the PDP,
> >> > rather a validation of the PDP.
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > McTim
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 1:02 PM, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
> >> > > Dear Marcus,
> >> > >
> >> > > First of all YES we really sure what we are trying to organize !
> >> > > Second, Mark Elkins is on of the co-authors of many other proposals
> >> > > - as he claimed -, the one you particularly mention is not an active
> >> > > proposal for the time being Third, as we stated we welcome any
> >> > > volunteer to contribute to solve the issues we addressed in our
> >> > > justifications to our call,
> >> > >
> >> > > Please help us to focus only on ideas and proposals.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor Sudan University of Science
> >> > > and Technology Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
> >> > > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
> >> > > Mob: +249122045707
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________
> >> > >
> >> > > From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com>
> >> > > To: "SamiSalih" <sami at ntc.gov.sd>, "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> >> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:19:25 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Dear Co-chairs,
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > While reading your email, I am wondering whether you are really sure
> >> > > of what you are trying to organize. Have you considered the
> following
> >> > > points?
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 1 - Mark Elkins is one of the co-authors of the softlanding overhaul
> >> > >
> >> > > 2- The co-authors of the softlanding-bis proposal which is still in
> >> > > the PDWG track  said  ".... we are available for any further actions
> >> > > required from us" in their response to your  7 days call.
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Some thoughts for reflection!!!
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > Marcus
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________
> >> > > From: SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd>
> >> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:03:11 AM
> >> > > To: rpd
> >> > > Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> >> > >
> >> > > Dear PDWG,
> >> > >
> >> > > We appreciate your active discussion regarding the soft landing
> policy.
> >> > >
> >> > > This is to declare the end of the Seven Days comment period on
> >> > > developing a common proposal according to the points commonly agreed
> >> > > before whether in the RPD or at PPMs.
> >> > >
> >> > > So far we have Mark Elkins and Arsène Tungali as the only
> >> > > volunteers. We hope they can edit the commonly agreed view in a new
> >> > > policy update proposal document and work with other community
> >> > > members including authors of previous proposals that wish to lend
> their
> >> > > experience.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best Regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > PDWG Co-Chairs
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > ________________________________
> >> > >
> >> > > From: "Honest Ornella GANKPA" <honest1989 at gmail.com>
> >> > > To: "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng>
> >> > > Cc: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> >> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:49:22 PM
> >> > > Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> >> > >
> >> > > Hello Dewole
> >> > >
> >> > > It has been suggested to take the points which have consensus on the
> >> > > wide variety and get an editor to come up with a new version  if we
> >> > > really do not want the current authors to do it.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best regards
> >> > >
> >> > > Honest Ornella GANKPA
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > 2017-03-27 8:52 GMT+01:00 Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The proposal "already in the PDP" (as you put it) deals with a wide
> >> > >> variety of areas. That collection of areas has not found consensus.
> >> > >> If the authors choose to whittle the proposal down to those areas
> >> > >> that the community largely agrees on, the co-chairs would not need
> >> > >> to point out areas that volunteers can adopt and put forward.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Although proposals (once submitted to the RPD list) are supposed to
> >> > >> be owned by the community and not the authors, the current
> >> > >> definition/implementation of the AFRINIC PDP does not promote that
> >> > >> enough. I stand to be corrected but I think that is why we find
> >> > >> ourselves in this logjam today.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> The submission presented by co-chairs a week ago was to allow a
> >> > >> chance to do things the collaborative way. A chance to disconnect
> >> > >> from whatever sentiments exist and tackle policy issues (which is
> why we
> >> > >> are here).
> >> > >>
> >> > >> I fail to see what makes you think the co-chairs are focusing on
> >> > >> authors rather than policy.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dewole.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse typos and autocorrect
> >> > >> strangeness.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> On 26 Mar 2017, at 8:52 PM, Honest Ornella GANKPA
> >> > >> <honest1989 at gmail.com>
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Hi Dewole,
> >> > >>
> >> > >> 2017-03-26 18:37 GMT+01:00 Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>:
> >> > >>>
> >> > >>> There is more to benefit from collaborating on a single draft
> >> > >>> rather than spewing out multiple proposals.
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Agreed! So why are you asking for new proposals when there is
> >> > >> already one in PDP.  Co-chairs need to focus on policy not authors.
> >> > >>
> >> > >>
> >> > >>  Honest Ornella GANKPA
> >> > >>
> >> > >
> >> > >
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> >> > --
> >> > Cheers,
> >> >
> >> > McTim
> >> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> >> > route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
> >>
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>
> McTim
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