[rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue

[McTim]

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 5:36 AM, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
>
> Thanks for remind us about this very important point
>
> and yes, we as co-chairs are not building anythings regarding consensus, this should be stated very clear.

I would say that you can "help to find consensus" rather than "build",
that is the terminology I always used internally.

Thanks for doing such an exemplary job in this difficult role in trying times.

Regards,

McTim



> ----- Original Message -----
>> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:28:26 AM
>> Subject: RE: Report of the Soft Landing isuue
>>
>> Sami,
>>
>> I agree that you are meant to foster discussion so that we can objectively
>> discuss.
>>
>> It is *NOT* however the job of the co-chairs to *BUILD* consensus - Consensus
>> is there, or it isn't there, and if it isn't there, it is up to the authors
>> of the policy to adjust and work with the community till it is there, or
>> have their policy fail ratification.  It 100% is not the job of the
>> co-chairs to do more than gauge the consensus.  BUILDING the consensus is in
>> effect saying that every policy proposal should have a middle ground that
>> everyone can agree on - that is simply not accurate - there are plenty of
>> policies I have seen come and fail that failed because there is no middle
>> ground - and there is no problem with that - it simply means the community
>> didn't believe in what they saw and the authors couldn't adjust enough to
>> get the community to believe in it.
>>
>> But it certainly is not the job of the co-chairs in any way shape or form to
>> build consensus, it is the job of the co-chairs to gauge consensus.  That is
>> it
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: SamiSalih [mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd]
>> Sent: 30 March 2017 06:16
>> To: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
>> Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
>>
>> Thanks McTim for the reminder
>> However, as co-chairs our mandate is to condider every single propsal comming
>> from the community and work to foster a condtructive discussion, this
>> necessitates all members to objectivly discuss the ideas and only good ideas
>> can be further developed to a policy.
>> I think ourandate is also to find a middle group to BUILD the consensus so we
>> have to be positive and innovative rather than just rapporteurs- you know
>> better than me in this regards
>>
>> Sicerely
>>
>> Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
>> Sudan University of Science and Technology Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
>> email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
>> Mob: +249122045707
>>
>> ----- McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> > Sami, all,
>> >
>> > I just want to remind everyone that "no consensus, status quo remains"
>> > is a perfectly valid outcome of the PDP.
>> >
>> > Not every policy proposal needs to pass in some form or other.  That a
>> > proposal fails to gain consensus is not an indictment of the PDP,
>> > rather a validation of the PDP.
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> >
>> > McTim
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 1:02 PM, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
>> > > Dear Marcus,
>> > >
>> > > First of all YES we really sure what we are trying to organize !
>> > > Second, Mark Elkins is on of the co-authors of many other proposals
>> > > - as he claimed -, the one you particularly mention is not an active
>> > > proposal for the time being Third, as we stated we welcome any
>> > > volunteer to contribute to solve the issues we addressed in our
>> > > justifications to our call,
>> > >
>> > > Please help us to focus only on ideas and proposals.
>> > >
>> > > Best Regards,
>> > >
>> > > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor Sudan University of Science
>> > > and Technology Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
>> > > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
>> > > Mob: +249122045707
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > >
>> > > From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com>
>> > > To: "SamiSalih" <sami at ntc.gov.sd>, "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:19:25 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: Report of the Soft Landing isuue
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Dear Co-chairs,
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > While reading your email, I am wondering whether you are really sure
>> > > of what you are trying to organize. Have you considered the following
>> > > points?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 1 - Mark Elkins is one of the co-authors of the softlanding overhaul
>> > >
>> > > 2- The co-authors of the softlanding-bis proposal which is still in
>> > > the PDWG track  said  ".... we are available for any further actions
>> > > required from us" in their response to your  7 days call.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Some thoughts for reflection!!!
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > Marcus
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > > From: SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd>
>> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:03:11 AM
>> > > To: rpd
>> > > Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
>> > >
>> > > Dear PDWG,
>> > >
>> > > We appreciate your active discussion regarding the soft landing policy.
>> > >
>> > > This is to declare the end of the Seven Days comment period on
>> > > developing a common proposal according to the points commonly agreed
>> > > before whether in the RPD or at PPMs.
>> > >
>> > > So far we have Mark Elkins and Arsène Tungali as the only
>> > > volunteers. We hope they can edit the commonly agreed view in a new
>> > > policy update proposal document and work with other community
>> > > members including authors of previous proposals that wish to lend their
>> > > experience.
>> > >
>> > > Best Regards,
>> > >
>> > > PDWG Co-Chairs
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > ________________________________
>> > >
>> > > From: "Honest Ornella GANKPA" <honest1989 at gmail.com>
>> > > To: "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng>
>> > > Cc: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:49:22 PM
>> > > Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
>> > >
>> > > Hello Dewole
>> > >
>> > > It has been suggested to take the points which have consensus on the
>> > > wide variety and get an editor to come up with a new version  if we
>> > > really do not want the current authors to do it.
>> > >
>> > > Best regards
>> > >
>> > > Honest Ornella GANKPA
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2017-03-27 8:52 GMT+01:00 Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>:
>> > >>
>> > >> The proposal "already in the PDP" (as you put it) deals with a wide
>> > >> variety of areas. That collection of areas has not found consensus.
>> > >> If the authors choose to whittle the proposal down to those areas
>> > >> that the community largely agrees on, the co-chairs would not need
>> > >> to point out areas that volunteers can adopt and put forward.
>> > >>
>> > >> Although proposals (once submitted to the RPD list) are supposed to
>> > >> be owned by the community and not the authors, the current
>> > >> definition/implementation of the AFRINIC PDP does not promote that
>> > >> enough. I stand to be corrected but I think that is why we find
>> > >> ourselves in this logjam today.
>> > >>
>> > >> The submission presented by co-chairs a week ago was to allow a
>> > >> chance to do things the collaborative way. A chance to disconnect
>> > >> from whatever sentiments exist and tackle policy issues (which is why we
>> > >> are here).
>> > >>
>> > >> I fail to see what makes you think the co-chairs are focusing on
>> > >> authors rather than policy.
>> > >>
>> > >> Dewole.
>> > >>
>> > >> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse typos and autocorrect
>> > >> strangeness.
>> > >>
>> > >> On 26 Mar 2017, at 8:52 PM, Honest Ornella GANKPA
>> > >> <honest1989 at gmail.com>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hi Dewole,
>> > >>
>> > >> 2017-03-26 18:37 GMT+01:00 Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>:
>> > >>>
>> > >>> There is more to benefit from collaborating on a single draft
>> > >>> rather than spewing out multiple proposals.
>> > >>
>> > >> Agreed! So why are you asking for new proposals when there is
>> > >> already one in PDP.  Co-chairs need to focus on policy not authors.
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>  Honest Ornella GANKPA
>> > >>
>> > >
>> > >
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>> > --
>> > Cheers,
>> >
>> > McTim
>> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> > route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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Cheers,

McTim
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route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel