[rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue

Fri Mar 31 02:36:58 UTC 2017

Hi Sami,

To be honest, I can't even recall the problem statements of these 2 proposals.

Perhaps we could have them posted to the list to see if there is any
area of commonality at that level?

After all, if there is zero common ground between the 2 problems that
these proposals aim to fix, and instead diametric opposition, then
there is little point in carrying on a stalemate.

Regards,

McTim

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:16 PM, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
> Thanks McTim for the reminder
> However, as co-chairs our mandate is to condider every single propsal comming from the community and work to foster a condtructive discussion, this necessitates all members to objectivly discuss the ideas and only good ideas can be further developed to a policy.
> I think ourandate is also to find a middle group to BUILD the consensus so we have to be positive and innovative rather than just rapporteurs- you know better than me in this regards
>
> Sicerely
>
> Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
> Sudan University of Science and Technology
> Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
> email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
> Mob: +249122045707
>
> ----- McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Sami, all,
>>
>> I just want to remind everyone that "no consensus, status quo remains"
>> is a perfectly valid outcome of the PDP.
>>
>> Not every policy proposal needs to pass in some form or other.  That a
>> proposal fails to gain consensus is not an indictment of the PDP,
>> rather a validation of the PDP.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> McTim
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>> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 1:02 PM, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
>> > Dear Marcus,
>> >
>> > First of all YES we really sure what we are trying to organize !
>> > Second, Mark Elkins is on of the co-authors of many other proposals - as he
>> > claimed -, the one you particularly mention is not an active proposal for
>> > the time being
>> > Third, as we stated we welcome any volunteer to contribute to solve the
>> > issues we addressed in our justifications to our call,
>> >
>> > Please help us to focus only on ideas and proposals.
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> >
>> > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
>> > Sudan University of Science and Technology
>> > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
>> > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
>> > Mob: +249122045707
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com>
>> > To: "SamiSalih" <sami at ntc.gov.sd>, "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:19:25 PM
>> > Subject: Re: Report of the Soft Landing isuue
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Co-chairs,
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > While reading your email, I am wondering whether you are really sure of what
>> > you are trying to organize. Have you considered the following points?
>> >
>> >
>> > 1 - Mark Elkins is one of the co-authors of the softlanding overhaul
>> >
>> > 2- The co-authors of the softlanding-bis proposal which is still in the PDWG
>> > track  said  ".... we are available for any further actions required from
>> > us" in their response to your  7 days call.
>> >
>> >
>> > Some thoughts for reflection!!!
>> >
>> >
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>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > Marcus
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> > From: SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd>
>> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:03:11 AM
>> > To: rpd
>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
>> >
>> > Dear PDWG,
>> >
>> > We appreciate your active discussion regarding the soft landing policy.
>> >
>> > This is to declare the end of the Seven Days comment period on developing a
>> > common proposal according to the points commonly agreed before whether in
>> > the RPD or at PPMs.
>> >
>> > So far we have Mark Elkins and Arsène Tungali as the only volunteers. We
>> > hope they can edit the commonly agreed view in a new policy update proposal
>> > document and work with other community members including authors of previous
>> > proposals that wish to lend their experience.
>> >
>> > Best Regards,
>> >
>> > PDWG Co-Chairs
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >
>> > From: "Honest Ornella GANKPA" <honest1989 at gmail.com>
>> > To: "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng>
>> > Cc: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
>> > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:49:22 PM
>> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
>> >
>> > Hello Dewole
>> >
>> > It has been suggested to take the points which have consensus on the wide
>> > variety and get an editor to come up with a new version  if we really do not
>> > want the current authors to do it.
>> >
>> > Best regards
>> >
>> > Honest Ornella GANKPA
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > 2017-03-27 8:52 GMT+01:00 Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>:
>> >>
>> >> The proposal "already in the PDP" (as you put it) deals with a wide
>> >> variety of areas. That collection of areas has not found consensus. If the
>> >> authors choose to whittle the proposal down to those areas that the
>> >> community largely agrees on, the co-chairs would not need to point out areas
>> >> that volunteers can adopt and put forward.
>> >>
>> >> Although proposals (once submitted to the RPD list) are supposed to be
>> >> owned by the community and not the authors, the current
>> >> definition/implementation of the AFRINIC PDP does not promote that enough. I
>> >> stand to be corrected but I think that is why we find ourselves in this
>> >> logjam today.
>> >>
>> >> The submission presented by co-chairs a week ago was to allow a chance to
>> >> do things the collaborative way. A chance to disconnect from whatever
>> >> sentiments exist and tackle policy issues (which is why we are here).
>> >>
>> >> I fail to see what makes you think the co-chairs are focusing on authors
>> >> rather than policy.
>> >>
>> >> Dewole.
>> >>
>> >> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse typos and autocorrect
>> >> strangeness.
>> >>
>> >> On 26 Mar 2017, at 8:52 PM, Honest Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Dewole,
>> >>
>> >> 2017-03-26 18:37 GMT+01:00 Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>:
>> >>>
>> >>> There is more to benefit from collaborating on a single draft rather than
>> >>> spewing out multiple proposals.
>> >>
>> >> Agreed! So why are you asking for new proposals when there is already one
>> >> in PDP.  Co-chairs need to focus on policy not authors.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>  Honest Ornella GANKPA
>> >>
>> >
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>> --
>> Cheers,
>>
>> McTim
>> "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
>> route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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Cheers,

McTim
"A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel