[rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue

Thu Mar 30 09:36:42 UTC 2017

Thanks for remind us about this very important point

and yes, we as co-chairs are not building anythings regarding consensus, this should be stated very clear.

However, to foster the discussion and to help the community, we provide a summary of what being discussed and agreed in RPD and during the PPM nothing less nothing more, in a attempt to find a middle group but now one can enforce the community.

If any one interpret my email in different way, this may be my fault since I'm trying to keep my messages short and direct.

BR

Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
Sudan University of Science and Technology
Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
Mob: +249122045707 

----- Original Message -----
> Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:28:26 AM
> Subject: RE: Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> 
> Sami,
> 
> I agree that you are meant to foster discussion so that we can objectively
> discuss.
> 
> It is *NOT* however the job of the co-chairs to *BUILD* consensus - Consensus
> is there, or it isn't there, and if it isn't there, it is up to the authors
> of the policy to adjust and work with the community till it is there, or
> have their policy fail ratification.  It 100% is not the job of the
> co-chairs to do more than gauge the consensus.  BUILDING the consensus is in
> effect saying that every policy proposal should have a middle ground that
> everyone can agree on - that is simply not accurate - there are plenty of
> policies I have seen come and fail that failed because there is no middle
> ground - and there is no problem with that - it simply means the community
> didn't believe in what they saw and the authors couldn't adjust enough to
> get the community to believe in it.
> 
> But it certainly is not the job of the co-chairs in any way shape or form to
> build consensus, it is the job of the co-chairs to gauge consensus.  That is
> it
> 
> Andrew
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: SamiSalih [mailto:sami at ntc.gov.sd]
> Sent: 30 March 2017 06:16
> To: McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com>
> Cc: rpd <rpd at afrinic.net>
> Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> 
> Thanks McTim for the reminder
> However, as co-chairs our mandate is to condider every single propsal comming
> from the community and work to foster a condtructive discussion, this
> necessitates all members to objectivly discuss the ideas and only good ideas
> can be further developed to a policy.
> I think ourandate is also to find a middle group to BUILD the consensus so we
> have to be positive and innovative rather than just rapporteurs- you know
> better than me in this regards
> 
> Sicerely
> 
> Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
> Sudan University of Science and Technology Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
> email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
> Mob: +249122045707
> 
> ----- McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Sami, all,
> > 
> > I just want to remind everyone that "no consensus, status quo remains"
> > is a perfectly valid outcome of the PDP.
> > 
> > Not every policy proposal needs to pass in some form or other.  That a
> > proposal fails to gain consensus is not an indictment of the PDP,
> > rather a validation of the PDP.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > 
> > McTim
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 1:02 PM, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
> > > Dear Marcus,
> > >
> > > First of all YES we really sure what we are trying to organize !
> > > Second, Mark Elkins is on of the co-authors of many other proposals
> > > - as he claimed -, the one you particularly mention is not an active
> > > proposal for the time being Third, as we stated we welcome any
> > > volunteer to contribute to solve the issues we addressed in our
> > > justifications to our call,
> > >
> > > Please help us to focus only on ideas and proposals.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor Sudan University of Science
> > > and Technology Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
> > > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
> > > Mob: +249122045707
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com>
> > > To: "SamiSalih" <sami at ntc.gov.sd>, "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:19:25 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Dear Co-chairs,
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > While reading your email, I am wondering whether you are really sure
> > > of what you are trying to organize. Have you considered the following
> > > points?
> > >
> > >
> > > 1 - Mark Elkins is one of the co-authors of the softlanding overhaul
> > >
> > > 2- The co-authors of the softlanding-bis proposal which is still in
> > > the PDWG track  said  ".... we are available for any further actions
> > > required from us" in their response to your  7 days call.
> > >
> > >
> > > Some thoughts for reflection!!!
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Marcus
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:03:11 AM
> > > To: rpd
> > > Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> > >
> > > Dear PDWG,
> > >
> > > We appreciate your active discussion regarding the soft landing policy.
> > >
> > > This is to declare the end of the Seven Days comment period on
> > > developing a common proposal according to the points commonly agreed
> > > before whether in the RPD or at PPMs.
> > >
> > > So far we have Mark Elkins and Arsène Tungali as the only
> > > volunteers. We hope they can edit the commonly agreed view in a new
> > > policy update proposal document and work with other community
> > > members including authors of previous proposals that wish to lend their
> > > experience.
> > >
> > > Best Regards,
> > >
> > > PDWG Co-Chairs
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > >
> > > From: "Honest Ornella GANKPA" <honest1989 at gmail.com>
> > > To: "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng>
> > > Cc: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:49:22 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> > >
> > > Hello Dewole
> > >
> > > It has been suggested to take the points which have consensus on the
> > > wide variety and get an editor to come up with a new version  if we
> > > really do not want the current authors to do it.
> > >
> > > Best regards
> > >
> > > Honest Ornella GANKPA
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > 2017-03-27 8:52 GMT+01:00 Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>:
> > >>
> > >> The proposal "already in the PDP" (as you put it) deals with a wide
> > >> variety of areas. That collection of areas has not found consensus.
> > >> If the authors choose to whittle the proposal down to those areas
> > >> that the community largely agrees on, the co-chairs would not need
> > >> to point out areas that volunteers can adopt and put forward.
> > >>
> > >> Although proposals (once submitted to the RPD list) are supposed to
> > >> be owned by the community and not the authors, the current
> > >> definition/implementation of the AFRINIC PDP does not promote that
> > >> enough. I stand to be corrected but I think that is why we find
> > >> ourselves in this logjam today.
> > >>
> > >> The submission presented by co-chairs a week ago was to allow a
> > >> chance to do things the collaborative way. A chance to disconnect
> > >> from whatever sentiments exist and tackle policy issues (which is why we
> > >> are here).
> > >>
> > >> I fail to see what makes you think the co-chairs are focusing on
> > >> authors rather than policy.
> > >>
> > >> Dewole.
> > >>
> > >> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse typos and autocorrect
> > >> strangeness.
> > >>
> > >> On 26 Mar 2017, at 8:52 PM, Honest Ornella GANKPA
> > >> <honest1989 at gmail.com>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hi Dewole,
> > >>
> > >> 2017-03-26 18:37 GMT+01:00 Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>:
> > >>>
> > >>> There is more to benefit from collaborating on a single draft
> > >>> rather than spewing out multiple proposals.
> > >>
> > >> Agreed! So why are you asking for new proposals when there is
> > >> already one in PDP.  Co-chairs need to focus on policy not authors.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>  Honest Ornella GANKPA
> > >>
> > >
> > >
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> > 
> > --
> > Cheers,
> > 
> > McTim
> > "A name indicates what we seek. An address indicates where it is. A
> > route indicates how we get there."  Jon Postel
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