[rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue

Thu Mar 30 03:16:02 UTC 2017

Thanks McTim for the reminder
However, as co-chairs our mandate is to condider every single propsal comming from the community and work to foster a condtructive discussion, this necessitates all members to objectivly discuss the ideas and only good ideas can be further developed to a policy.
I think ourandate is also to find a middle group to BUILD the consensus so we have to be positive and innovative rather than just rapporteurs- you know better than me in this regards

Sicerely

Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
Sudan University of Science and Technology
Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
Mob: +249122045707 

----- McTim <dogwallah at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sami, all,
> 
> I just want to remind everyone that "no consensus, status quo remains"
> is a perfectly valid outcome of the PDP.
> 
> Not every policy proposal needs to pass in some form or other.  That a
> proposal fails to gain consensus is not an indictment of the PDP,
> rather a validation of the PDP.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> McTim
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> On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 1:02 PM, SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd> wrote:
> > Dear Marcus,
> >
> > First of all YES we really sure what we are trying to organize !
> > Second, Mark Elkins is on of the co-authors of many other proposals - as he
> > claimed -, the one you particularly mention is not an active proposal for
> > the time being
> > Third, as we stated we welcome any volunteer to contribute to solve the
> > issues we addressed in our justifications to our call,
> >
> > Please help us to focus only on ideas and proposals.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > Dr. Sami Salih  | Assistant Professor
> > Sudan University of Science and Technology
> > Eastern Dum, P.O Box 11111-407
> > email: sami.salih at sustech.edu
> > Mob: +249122045707
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: "Marcus K. G. Adomey" <madomey at hotmail.com>
> > To: "SamiSalih" <sami at ntc.gov.sd>, "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 29, 2017 7:19:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> >
> >
> >
> > Dear Co-chairs,
> >
> >
> >
> > While reading your email, I am wondering whether you are really sure of what
> > you are trying to organize. Have you considered the following points?
> >
> >
> > 1 - Mark Elkins is one of the co-authors of the softlanding overhaul
> >
> > 2- The co-authors of the softlanding-bis proposal which is still in the PDWG
> > track  said  ".... we are available for any further actions required from
> > us" in their response to your  7 days call.
> >
> >
> > Some thoughts for reflection!!!
> >
> >
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> >
> >
> >
> > Marcus
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: SamiSalih <sami at ntc.gov.sd>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 7:03:11 AM
> > To: rpd
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> >
> > Dear PDWG,
> >
> > We appreciate your active discussion regarding the soft landing policy.
> >
> > This is to declare the end of the Seven Days comment period on developing a
> > common proposal according to the points commonly agreed before whether in
> > the RPD or at PPMs.
> >
> > So far we have Mark Elkins and Arsène Tungali as the only volunteers. We
> > hope they can edit the commonly agreed view in a new policy update proposal
> > document and work with other community members including authors of previous
> > proposals that wish to lend their experience.
> >
> > Best Regards,
> >
> > PDWG Co-Chairs
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> >
> > From: "Honest Ornella GANKPA" <honest1989 at gmail.com>
> > To: "Dewole Ajao" <dewole at forum.org.ng>
> > Cc: "rpd" <rpd at afrinic.net>
> > Sent: Monday, March 27, 2017 4:49:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [rpd] Report of the Soft Landing isuue
> >
> > Hello Dewole
> >
> > It has been suggested to take the points which have consensus on the wide
> > variety and get an editor to come up with a new version  if we really do not
> > want the current authors to do it.
> >
> > Best regards
> >
> > Honest Ornella GANKPA
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > 2017-03-27 8:52 GMT+01:00 Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>:
> >>
> >> The proposal "already in the PDP" (as you put it) deals with a wide
> >> variety of areas. That collection of areas has not found consensus. If the
> >> authors choose to whittle the proposal down to those areas that the
> >> community largely agrees on, the co-chairs would not need to point out areas
> >> that volunteers can adopt and put forward.
> >>
> >> Although proposals (once submitted to the RPD list) are supposed to be
> >> owned by the community and not the authors, the current
> >> definition/implementation of the AFRINIC PDP does not promote that enough. I
> >> stand to be corrected but I think that is why we find ourselves in this
> >> logjam today.
> >>
> >> The submission presented by co-chairs a week ago was to allow a chance to
> >> do things the collaborative way. A chance to disconnect from whatever
> >> sentiments exist and tackle policy issues (which is why we are here).
> >>
> >> I fail to see what makes you think the co-chairs are focusing on authors
> >> rather than policy.
> >>
> >> Dewole.
> >>
> >> Sent from a mobile device. Please excuse typos and autocorrect
> >> strangeness.
> >>
> >> On 26 Mar 2017, at 8:52 PM, Honest Ornella GANKPA <honest1989 at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Dewole,
> >>
> >> 2017-03-26 18:37 GMT+01:00 Dewole Ajao <dewole at forum.org.ng>:
> >>>
> >>> There is more to benefit from collaborating on a single draft rather than
> >>> spewing out multiple proposals.
> >>
> >> Agreed! So why are you asking for new proposals when there is already one
> >> in PDP.  Co-chairs need to focus on policy not authors.
> >>
> >>
> >>  Honest Ornella GANKPA
> >>
> >
> >
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> 
> McTim
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